AUSTIN COMMON HEALTH CENTER
AUSTIN, TX 78753
512-835-6403

TAPE – 837

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Ladies Center. This is Sheila.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: Do you know how much it cost for that?

CLINIC: Up to 12 weeks of pregnancy the fee is $425.

CALLER: Okay. Well, how do you know how many weeks you are?

CLINIC: You count the weeks from the first day of your last period.

CALLER: Oh. Well, that was January 15th.

CLINIC: So you’re in your first trimester. You’re under 12 weeks, and the fee is 425.

CALLER: All right. I’m just kind of worried. My boyfriend and I were talking about all this, and he said he would pay for everything. Well, I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Could he just take care of it all, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. The law in Texas has changed over the last year. If you’re under 18, you have to have parental notification or you could go before a judge and get a judicial bypass.

CALLER: How do you do that?

CLINIC: I can give you a phone number, and you can call and see about doing that. You’re going to call Sidney Childress (sp). And the phone number is 707-1985. Tell them that you’re under 18, and you’re trying to get a termination without your parent’s acknowledgement.

CALLER: Well, how much does it cost for all that?

CLINIC: I don’t think it’s very expensive at all. There’s a simple procedure. And see if they can help you.

CALLER: Well, do they usually say it’s okay?

CLINIC: We have many young girls come in here who’ve gone before a judge. The judge says that you’re able to make this decision on your own without your parents’ knowledge.

CALLER: Okay. Me and my boyfriend and I were talking about all this, and he said that he would pay cash for everything. But he doesn’t want anyone to know about us. Would he have to put his name on anything, any papers or forms or anything?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Okay. Would you guys do a pregnancy test beforehand just to make sure that I was pregnant?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: Okay. Because I haven’t done one yet.

CLINIC: What you need to do is call and talk to the attorney and see about getting the judicial bypass and call me back. If we can help you, we’ll schedule you for your appointment. Okay?

CALLER: Well, could I come in for a pregnancy test beforehand just to make sure?

CLINIC: You can come anytime between — you can come tomorrow, Thursday between 9:30 and 4. We’ll have someone here to do that for you.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: Your period was January 15th, you said?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: It’s a free test.

CALLER: Okay. Well, if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control from you guys?

CLINIC: You’d have to make an appointment to get a yearly check-up and pap smear. There’s a $50 fee. And then we would prescribe the birth control pill for you.

CALLER: But would you have to tell anybody if I was on birth control though?

CLINIC: Nope.

CALLER: All right. It’s just really important to me and my boyfriend that nobody knows. So you’re sure no one would have to know?

CLINIC: Our clinic is completely confidential. We’re not allowed to give out any information.

CALLER: All right. Well, let me talk to the lawyer people and then call you back.

CLINIC: Okay, honey.

CALLER: Okay. Thanks.

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AUSTIN WOMEN’S HEALTH CENTER
1902 S. I.H. 35
AUSTIN, TX 78704
512-443-2888

TAPE – 838

(Dialing, phone did not ring)

CLINIC: (Unclear) Women’s Health Center. This is Veronica. How may I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, ma’am.

CALLER: Do you know how much it cost for that?

CLINIC: Do you know where you’re at in the pregnancy?

CALLER: No. How do you know?

CLINIC: Do you know the first day of your last period?

CALLER: January 15th.

CLINIC: January 15th is the first day of your last period?

CALLER: I didn’t hear what you said.

CLINIC: January 15th was the first day of your last period?

CALLER: Yes.

CLINIC: Okay. I could estimate that you are around seven to eight weeks.

CALLER: What?

CLINIC: I can estimate that you could be seven to eight weeks pregnant. If you’re under 12 weeks in your pregnancy, the cost would be 425.

CALLER: 425?

CLINIC: Yes, ma’am. Also, if you have a negative blood type, it’s going to be an extra $50 because we have to give you a medication called Rhogam.

CALLER: I’m just kind of worried. My boyfriend said that he would pay cash for everything. But I’m just worried because I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22, and he said he would take care of it all. Would that be okay, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: How old are you?

CALLER: I’m going to be 14 on the 19th.

CLINIC: And you don’t want to tell your parents?

CALLER: I can’t tell my parents.

CLINIC: And your boyfriend’s how old?

CALLER: Twenty-two.

CLINIC: Well, there are a few options if you don’t want to tell your parents. You can get a judicial bypass.

CALLER: What is that?

CLINIC: Hold on just a moment.

(Pause)

RECORDING: — calling. We apologize for placing you on hold. We know that your time is valuable and hope to be with you shortly.

(Pause)

CLINIC: Thank you for holding. This is Amy. How can I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Are you who I was talking to before?

CLINIC: No. Was somebody already helping you?

CALLER: Yeah, I was talking to Veronica.

CLINIC: Okay. I’m sorry. Hold on one moment.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Thanks for holding. This is Kit (sp). Veronica tells me that you are wanting to know about judicial bypass. Is that right?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Yeah. Okay. What I can tell you is — do you have any questions about the actual law in Texas? Do you understand about that a little bit?

CALLER: I just don’t want to tell my parents.

CLINIC: Okay. That’s fine. You don’t need to. The law does protect you from needing to tell your parents. What is required by the state of Texas is that your parents are informed; they don’t need to give consent. And if you want to bypass that, the state is required to give you a free lawyer who represents you at a local court.

Do you live in Travis County or do you live in a different county?

CALLER: I live in Austin.

CLINIC: You live in Austin. Okay. So you live in Travis County. There’s an organization called Jane’s Due Process. Have you heard about them?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: What they do is they specifically are set up to help young women like you to find the representation that you deserve and need. Okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: So you don’t need to pay anything. And it happens pretty fast. I’m going to give you their number, and they’ll set you up with what is called a — you don’t need to write it down or anything, but just so when you hear this name, and you’re like, oh, yeah, Kit told me about that at the clinic. It’s called a “guardian litem.” And it’s like a fancy Latin word, for basically meaning someone who represents you in court. And when you go to court it’s a really brief visit. But the guardian litem is going to be there to sort of walk you through it and kind of hold your hand. Okay?

CALLER: Well, would the judge say that it’s okay then?

CLINIC: Uh-huh, yeah. You just have to answer some questions and have an appointment set up with us and stuff like that. Sometimes they’ll recommend that you had come in and visit with us first before you go meet with a judge so that you understand about the procedure and everything. So we can set up an appointment for you for what we can a pre-operative visit, where you get your ultra sound and your lab work and your counseling. And then you’ll be all informed and know what to expect and everything. And then in the next day, you would go and meet with your guardian litem, and then you get some paperwork done. And then you come back to us like the following day. So it all happens within a 24 to 48-hour period.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Are you in high school or are you out of school?

CALLER: I’m homeschooled.

CLINIC: Okay. And how old are you?

CALLER: I’m going to be 14 on the 19th.

CLINIC: Okay. What I can do —

CALLER: My boyfriend and me were talking about all this. And he said he would pay cash for everything. But we don’t want anyone to know about us. Would he have to sign anything or fill out any forms if he was paying for it all?

CLINIC: No, uh-uh. No. If you’re paying cash, we just give you a receipt for yourself. But there would be no way — no one would ever be able to find out that you were there is simply what I’m telling you.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Yeah. We don’t give that information out to any other people or company, and no one like your parents or anybody would be able to find out that you had come here.

CALLER: Well, I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would you guys do that beforehand just to make sure I am pregnant?

CLINIC: Yeah. I would recommend that. Are you feeling like you’re pregnant? Do you know —

CALLER: Well, I just haven’t had my period since January 15th, and we’re just both really scared.

CLINIC: Yeah. Okay. Well, what I can tell you is that we offer free pregnancy tests here. So if you want to come in and get a pregnancy test, you can do that for free.

CALLER: Well, how late are you guys there, like tomorrow?

CLINIC: Tomorrow you could come in any time until probably about 5:00 for a pregnancy test. I’m going to give you Jane’s Due Process’ information, so you can call them.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Have you taken a pregnancy — do you have access to getting to the pharmacy and getting a pregnancy test?

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend could — yeah.

CLINIC: Do that for you? Okay.

CALLER: But are those usually right though?

CLINIC: Yeah, they’re usually really right. Usually if it’s going to come back positive, like on an EPT test, it’s going to be correct.

CALLER: Well, if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control from you guys?

CLINIC: Yeah, definitely. Uh-huh. We’ll set up an appointment for an annual exam. Have you had a pap smear, an annual exam?

CALLER: No. How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: It’s between 75 and $125.

CALLER: But would anybody have to know if I was on birth control though?

CLINIC: Nope. Nobody would have to know.

I’m going to give you their 866 number.

CALLER: Just so that I understand, you’re sure no one would have to know about any of this?

CLINIC: Nobody has to know about any of this.

CALLER: They wouldn’t have to know about me and my boyfriend either?

CLINIC: No, they don’t need to know about you and your boyfriend.

CALLER: Okay. Well, what was the number?

CLINIC: Yeah. It’s 1-866-999-5263.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: And you call them, and they can start getting you in the process. And I would recommend — you could set up an appointment with me, if you’d like — with us — to have your pre-operative visit with us. In that visit, the first thing we’ll do is do a pregnancy test.

CALLER: Okay. Well, let me call my boyfriend to see what time is good for him, and then call you back. Is that all right?

CLINIC: Okay. Let me tell you the fees to let him know that the cost of a pre-operative visit with us is $180. The cost of the abortion is $425 if you’re under 12 weeks of pregnancy. The 180 is subtracted from the 425. So when you come back, it’s like 245.

CALLER: Oh, all right.

CLINIC: Just so you have that, so you can tell him about that. Then you can give us a call back when you’re ready.

CALLER: Okay. Thank you.

CLINIC: You’re welcome.

CALLER: Bye.

CLINIC: Bye.

***END***

REPRODUCTIVE SERVICES OF AUSTIN
4804 GROVER RD.
AUSTIN, TX 78756
512-458-8274

TAPE – 792

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Reproductive Services. Can you hold please?

CALLER: Well, do you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: Yeah, we do.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay. Hold on.

(Short pause)

CLINIC: — holding. How can I help you?

CALLER: Yeah. I was wanting to see how much it cost to get an abortion.

CLINIC: Okay. For a first trimester abortion it is $425.

CALLER: How do you know if you’re —

CLINIC: That is through the 13th week of the pregnancy. So 13 weeks from the first day of your last period.

CALLER: Oh. Well, that was January 3rd.

CLINIC: Okay. Well then, that is within the first trimester. It’s $425. There are some additional costs for medications that are required after the procedure as well as optional medications that you may choose to take during the procedure.

CALLER: Okay. My main concern is I’m worried. I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Actually, there’s a couple things — yeah. Because you are under 14 years old, we would have to notify your parents before the procedure. There’s a couple ways we can do that. Now, if you do not want your parents notified, you can go through a process called judicial bypass.

CALLER: How does that work?

CLINIC: Why don’t you hold on one second, and I’m going to have you speak to either Dorothy or Sarah. And they’re the people here that work with women who are under 18 years old.

CALLER: What was your name?

CLINIC: My name is Linda. And I’ll have Dorothy or Sarah be with you in just one moment, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Thank you.

CLINIC: Hi. This is Dorothy.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering about getting a judicial bypass. I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. Because he’s not a legal guardian of yours, he actually can’t have any say as far as with the procedure. But you don’t plan on telling your parents?

CALLER: Right. They can’t find out at all.

CLINIC: Okay. What you think will kind of go on if they do?

CALLER: I don’t know. They’d be furious. I mean, they know my boyfriend and they know we’re going out. He works with my dad, but they don’t like him because they think he’s too old for me. But they know him, and they know we’re going out. But they don’t know we’re having sex. I mean, if they knew about that, I don’t know what they would do. I mean, they’d be furious. They can’t find out at all.

CLINIC: Okay. Well, we can go through the judicial bypass. And that’s basically where you go to see a judge.

CALLER: I’ve never seen a judge before.

CLINIC: Yeah. I know. And it’s kind of scary too for girls who’ve never had to go through that. Do you live in Austin?

CALLER: I live in Round Rock.

CLINIC: In Round Rock? Okay. Well, most likely you’ll come to court here, and your attorney will help you do everything. And most of the girls that we see in Travis County, which is in the Austin area, haven’t been turned down.

CALLER: How much does it cost for an attorney?

CLINIC: It’s not going to be any cost to you.

CALLER: Oh, okay,

CLINIC: Yeah, whatsoever. All we need you to do is — do you have like a way that you can get around and stuff like that?

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend drives me.

CLINIC: If you guys come visit our clinic at a time that’s good for you, I can give you all the papers that you would need to come see the judge along with the list of attorneys and get you set up for all that if that’s what you want to do.

CALLER: Are you guys open tomorrow?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: What time?

CLINIC: We can either see about going that route with the judicial bypass or you can provide me with a phone number or address to contact your parents by phone or by certified letter. So however you want to do it.

CALLER: Well, I can’t talk to them. I don’t want you to contact them.

CLINIC: Right, right. Do you want to do the judicial bypass?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: What time do you think you can come in tomorrow?

CALLER: When are you guys open?

CLINIC: I’ll be here from about 9 ’til probably 4:30.

CALLER: Okay. Will you be there during lunch ?

CLINIC: Oh, of course.

CALLER: Okay. So I could come like on my boyfriend’s lunch break or whatever?

CLINIC: Yeah, you could do that. Are you in school or anything?

CALLER: Well, I’m homeschooled.

CLINIC: You’re homeschooled? Okay. What’s your first name?

CALLER: Lisa.

CLINIC: Lisa?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: What’s your last name, Lisa?

CALLER: Carter.

CLINIC: So when you come in what we’re going to do is I’m going to give you what we call a minor packet. That’s where it lists — we’re going to kind of sit down and talk about it, so you might be here for about 15 minutes, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: We’re going to kind of sit down and talk about what’s in the papers, what the judge might talk to you about, and have you watch a short film. Nothing scary or graphic that would freak you out whatsoever; it’s just an informative film, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: But as far as going through with the abortion procedure, that’s definitely what you want to do?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Yeah?

CALLER: Me and my boyfriend, that’s all we talk about now. But he’s a great guy, and we’re going to be married soon. But he has to finish school and stuff. So we just can’t have a kid until after that. So that’s we were wanting to get an abortion, because we can’t have a kid right now.

CLINIC: And when did you say you were turning 19th?

CALLER: On the 19th.

CLINIC: On the 19th of this month?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Do you know about how far along you are?

CALLER: Well, not really. My last period was January 3rd.

CLINIC: Okay. Well, when you come in, we can also do a sonogram, okay? And the cost for the sonogram is going to be $25. When you come back to us for the actual procedure, we’ll deduct the cost from the procedure. So we can do all of that tomorrow when you come in.

CALLER: Well, if my boyfriend was paying for all this — like he said he would pay cash for everything, it’s just we don’t want anyone to know about us — would he have to sign anything or have his name on any of the forms?

CLINIC: No. He would not have to sign or have his name on any of the forms whatsoever. I’m going to have you hold just one moment so I can get some information from you, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

(Very short pause)

CLINIC: Okay, Lisa. Now one thing that we do need to look at– in the state of Texas, if you are 13 years old and you are pregnant, that has to be reported.

CALLER: What do you mean?

CLINIC: It has to be reported to Child Protective Services.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Well, what could happen?

CLINIC: But if you come in — because you’re about to be 14, so that law will change. But when you come in, we will also have to make a report because your partner is over three years older than you.

CALLER: Well, I can’t do that. What would happen?

CLINIC: But the thing is, you’re not required to give us any information, okay? You don’t have to tell me his name. You don’t have to tell me where he lives, a phone number. I don’t have to know anything. Then it won’t be on anything.

CALLER: So you’re sure that I don’t have to tell you that?

CLINIC: I can ask you a hundred times, and you can not tell me a hundred times. But by law we do have to find that out.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay. But you don’t have to tell me, so don’t worry about that. I’m just trying to let you know the law, okay? And we do this all the time. We just try to explain it to you so that you understand, but you don’t have to tell us anything, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: So all we’re going to do tomorrow is have you come in — and it’s fine if he comes with you. I mean, we’re not going to ask him anything. We’ll let you sit with him. Don’t worry about it. He can go through the ultra sound with you if you want him to. But we’re not going to ask him for i.d. or anything else, okay?

Tomorrow what we’ll do is we’ll have you come in. You’ll pay the $25 to have your ultra sound done because you’ll need it to take to court with you. And then I’ll give you all the papers and numbers for some attorneys that you can call, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: You said your last menstrual period was when?

CALLER: January 3rd. But the attorneys wouldn’t say anything about my boyfriend either?

CLINIC: They shouldn’t. Again, you’re a minor, so you don’t have to give any information to the law. Because being a minor, you’re considered kind of like a Jane Doe. Nobody can know your name or any of that type of stuff. I mean, your attorney will and we will here at the clinic, but when it comes to the judge and everything else — at this point, any information about your boyfriend I would just leave alone.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: As far as letting people know his age and things like that. He’s just your boyfriend, and then leave it at that. Okay?

CALLER: Okay. Well, do you think it’s possible that I’m not pregnant though? I mean, I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet.

CLINIC: Well, we can do that here.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Yeah.

CALLER: How long does it take for that?

CLINIC: If you want to do it as soon as you walk in, we can do it — it will take like five minutes for us to run. It won’t be long at all.

CALLER: And I would know right away?

CLINIC: Uh-huh. We would tell you right then. And if we do get a positive, we’ll go ahead and continue with the sonogram and all the paperwork. If we get a negative, then we’ll just stop everything right there.

CALLER: Well, could I get birth control if I wasn’t pregnant?

CLINIC: You wouldn’t be able to get it that day, but we could go over it with you and make an appointment for you if that’s what you wanted to do. We can definitely leave you with some condoms at least to get started on though.

CALLER: How much does it cost for birth control after I make an appointment or whatever?

CLINIC: Well, we have to do your pap smear. So in order for us to do your pap smear, if you’ve never been here before, it’s going to be $96.

CALLER: Well, it’s just me and my boyfriend don’t want to have to go through all this again.

CLINIC: Exactly. That’s definitely understandable. But, yeah. Once you get here, I’ll give you all this information, and we can kind of figure it out from there, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: What year were you born in?

CALLER: 1988. Let me call my boyfriend real quick, and I’ll call you back. Is that all right?

CLINIC: Yeah, that’s no problem. But even if you don’t get a chance to come back, I’m going to see you — what time would be best for you to come in tomorrow?

CALLER: Probably first thing. But I have to call my boyfriend to make sure it’s okay with him because he’s the one that would take me.

CLINIC: Okay. Then just call me back. And, Lisa, again, my name is Dorothy, okay?

CALLER: But could I go like at lunch time you think maybe?

CLINIC: Yeah, that should be fine. Okay?

CALLER: All right. Let me talk to him. All right.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: Okay. Thanks.

CLINIC: Uh-huh. Bye.

CALLER: Bye.

***END***

AUSTIN OB-GYN
9805 ANDERSON MILL RD.
AUSTIN, TX 78750
512-250-1005

TAPE – 793

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: (Unclear).

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: For 12 weeks or less it’s $410.

CALLER: I can barely hear you. What did you say?

CLINIC: For 12 weeks or less it’s 410.

CALLER: How do you know how many weeks you are?

CLINIC: You have to count from the first day of your last period.

CALLER: Okay. Well, that was January 3rd.

CLINIC: Okay. How that puts you at nine weeks.

CALLER: The thing is I’m kind of worried. I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. At this office one parent has to come with you.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: That’s Texas law. If you’re less than 18, one parent has to be notified.

CALLER: Oh. Well, I can’t tell my parents. I mean, they can’t find out at all. Is there anything I can do that they won’t have to find out?

CLINIC: Well, maybe if you call one of the other abortions clinics. At this office we do not accept the judicial bypass. You have to have a parent with you. But if you call one of the other clinics maybe they can help you.

CALLER: Well, I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would I be able to come to you guys to get one of those?

CLINIC: No. We don’t do pregnancy tests. You can do home tests or you can go to Planned Parenthood or one of the other abortion clinics and see if they can offer pregnancy tests.

CALLER: All right. Okay. Thank you.

CLINIC: Um-hmm.

CALLER: Bye.

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
1823 E. 7TH ST.
AUSTIN, TX 78702-2713
512-477-5846

TAPE – 455

(dialing sounds) (ringing 2X)

CLINIC: Thank you for calling Planned Parenthood on East 7th Street. (Spanish interpretation. For information on our hours, press 1. (dial tone)

Our office hours are 9:00 to 6:30 Monday through Friday and on Saturdays from 9:00 to 4:00. Monday through Friday we have walk-in clinic from 9:00 to 12:00.

(dial tone) (ringing 3X)

Planned Parenthood.

CALLER: Hi. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: No, we don’t do them on-site. I do have some places, referrals that I could give you.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Do you have a pen and paper handy?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. Let’s look at this. Okay. Write down — let’s see. Okay, let’s do this. Let’s put down Austin Community Health Care Center, and the number there is 835-6403. Austin Reproductive Services, 458-8274. Okay?

CALLER: Well, do you know — like I’m just worried because like, well, I’m going to be 14 in March, and my friend told me that they would have to tell my parents I was getting an abortion. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of all that and —

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: — they wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. If you’re not legally married to him, no, he cannot.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: No. He cannot. If you’re only 14?

CALLER: Yeah. Well, I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: You have to go through the legal process called Jane’s Due Process.

CALLER: Okay. What is that?

CLINIC: That’s where you try to obtain an abortion without your parents’ consent.

CALLER: Okay. Well, how much does that cost?

CLINIC: It’s a legal process that you would go through. I don’t think they charge you anything for the paperwork and all that. But, you know, you would have to pay for the abortion itself.

CALLER: Oh, well, do they have to tell my parents or anything?

CLINIC: Those start at $435.

CALLER: Oh. Well, do you know if they have to tell my parents?

CLINIC: No. When you would do Jane’s Due Process you would petition the court. In other words, you’re petitioning a judge.

CALLER: Oh. Well, does the judge ever say no?

CLINIC: I don’t know. I don’t — I don’t think so. I think this is what happens. You go through kind of a little survey with them, and they see where you’re at with wanting to have that done. If the judge does not respond — I think he has two days to respond to it. If he doesn’t then automatically you get it.

CALLER: Oh, really?

CLINIC: Um-hum.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: But I mean, you would have to go through court to get it done without your parents’ consent. And another thing, if that guy is 22 years old, I mean why — and you’re 14?

CALLER: Well, I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: You’re just 13?

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: And he’s 22?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay, first of all, he’s going to jail.

CALLER: Why is he going to jail? What for?

CLINIC: Because, that’s statutory rape. You’re 13 years old.

CALLER: But he’s not raping me. I mean, we’re in love. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: I know, but you cannot, even with consent. You can’t have sex with a person that’s 13 and you’re 22.

CALLER: Well, he can’t go to jail. I mean —

CLINIC: Well, you know, any place would have to report it.

CALLER: Well, any place I go, you mean?

CLINIC: Uh-huh. He would be reported.

CALLER: Well, um, I really just wanted to get a pregnancy test. I’m just really worried because like I haven’t had my period since like December 21st, and I’m just scared. I don’t know what to do.

CLINIC: Okay. But I’m just telling you, we do have to report it. You know?

CALLER: Even if I come in for a pregnancy test?

CLINIC: Um-hum. We do have to report it.

CALLER: Well, what can I do then?

CLINIC: Because you are a minor, and he’s an adult.

CALLER: Well, I don’t want him to go to jail.

CLINIC: Well, I mean —

CALLER: Is there anything I can do?

CLINIC: A 13-year-old cannot give consent as far as having sex. At 22, you should not, you should know better than to have sex with a 13-year-old.

CALLER: Well, what can I do?

CLINIC: You said he takes care of you. Talk to him and see what happens.

CALLER: But he told me to call you guys.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: I mean, we’ve been talking about this.

CLINIC: But that shows that he’s not very mature though. So now, you got to think of what’s the next best thing for you to do.

CALLER: Right. What would that be?

CLINIC: Because if he’s 22 and you get pregnant and he don’t know what to do for you?

CALLER: Yeah?

CLINIC: Then what kind of — how is he taking care of you?

CALLER: I don’t know.

CLINIC: That’s no help. He should have a solution for you. That’s taking care of a person. Taking care of a person is when they come to me and I tell, I can tell them exactly what we’re going to do. Not send them to someone else.

CALLER: Yeah?

CLINIC: You know, he should bring you himself. He should — first of all, when is the last time you had a period?

CALLER: December 21st.

CLINIC: Okay. You haven’t had a period since December 21st?

CALLER: Right.

CLINIC: How long have you had your periods, honey?

CALLER: Well, like a couple years.

CLINIC: Okay. You’ve already had them for a couple of years. And are they regular?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: They come each month?

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: Okay, and near the same time?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. Have you had any other symptoms?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Like being sick at the stomach?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: No vomiting?

CALLER: Uh-uh.

CLINIC: Sore breasts?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Okay. Pains in the abdomen?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: So why do you think you’re pregnant?

CALLER: Well, I just haven’t had my period for a couple months now.

CLINIC: Did you go to HEB and buy a pregnancy test?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Okay. Make him do that for you.

CALLER: Oh. Well, are those usually right?

CLINIC: Yes, they are. You know what you’re going to do? Write down this name. You’re going to get a Fact-Plus. REPT, early pregnancy test. Those are most like the ones that we use here.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I come in there and get birth control though?

CLINIC: Yeah, sure.

CALLER: But would you guys have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. Not about the birth control, but if you test pregnant and you’re 13, we do have to report that.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: I’m just telling you so that you’ll know, you know, and it won’t be any confusion when you come here.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Because at 13 we would have to report it.

CALLER: Well, if I was on birth control, would he be able to pick up the pills? Because I can’t drive. I’m not old enough.

CLINIC: Yeah. You could leave a note with your chart saying that you give such and such a person permission to pick up your pills.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Um-hum. But go ahead and go and — I mean, have him to buy you a pregnancy test and do that one.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: And then, you know, if you are, if it says positive, then you’ll know where to go from there. If it says negative, then obviously you won’t have to have any worries. Right?

CALLER: Right.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Basically right now all you’re trying to find out is if you are pregnant or not, right?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. Do that first before you start getting ahead of yourself.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Well, if I had any other questions could I call and talk to you? What was your name?

CLINIC: I’m Shirley.

CALLER: All right. Thank you.

CLINIC: And your name?

CALLER: I’m Christine.

CLINIC: Okay, Christine. Call me back.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay, bye bye.

CALLER: Bye.

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
2013 WELLS BRANCH PKWY # 108
AUSTIN, TX 78728-6903
512-251-7844

TAPE – 456

(dialing sounds)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood, Wells Branch.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: No, we don’t.

CALLER: Oh. Well, do you know of anybody that does?

CLINIC: Yeah. Do you have a pencil and paper handy?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. First number is 835-6403. Another number, 458-8274. Another number 443-2888.

CALLER: Well, are all of those like in Austin?

CLINIC: Uh-huh. All of them are in Austin.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, do you — could I ask you real quick, like I’m just worried because like, well I’m going to be 14 in March, and my friend told me that they would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Could he just sign whatever it is and they wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No, absolutely not. But call, you know, one of those three providers. And they will give you guidance on how you’re going to have to proceed since you’re only 14.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay? They’ll give you all the information that you need.

CALLER: Well, I’m just worried about all this because like my last period was like December 21st. I don’t know what to do.

CLINIC: You should call today. All right? Call one of those places. They’re just three different providers, all here in Austin. They know all the ins and outs of, you know, what you need to do if you’re under 18. And you need to get the ball started.

CALLER: Well, could I come there for a pregnancy test? It’s just my boyfriend said to call you.

CLINIC: Have you taken a pregnancy test at home?

CALLER: No. I didn’t know that the home ones were any good.

CLINIC: Yeah. They’re very good.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Read the instructions and do the test right, they’re very accurate.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay? If you come here, it’s going to cost you between $20 and $24.

CALLER: Oh. Well, he said he would pay for everything, so.

CLINIC: And the — is it Austin Reproductive Services that does the free pregnancy test? The 458-8274 number, they’ll do a free pregnancy test.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Well, if I wasn’t pregnant could I come in there for birth control?

CLINIC: You absolutely better come in here for birth control if you’re not. How about that?

CALLER: Well, would you guys have to tell anybody that I was on birth control?

CLINIC: No. Nope.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Nope. Nobody but you.

CALLER: Okay. Well, would you guys have to know anything about my boyfriend or anything?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: It’s just, we were talking about all this and we don’t want anyone to know about us.

CLINIC: Right.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Right. Yeah. Just, you wouldn’t mention any of that.

CALLER: But is it all right if he comes and picks up the pills? Because I can’t drive yet.

CLINIC: (sighs) You know, that’s probably not a good idea.

CALLER: How come?

CLINIC: Because he’s so old.

CALLER: Oh. Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: All righty. Well, call one of those numbers. You’ve got more important things to worry about right now. If you’re pregnant you need to, you know, get rolling on this. Okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: All righty.

CALLER: All right. You’ve been so nice. What was your name?

CLINIC: Okay. I’m Gerry.

CALLER: Okay. Thanks.

CLINIC: Okay? All right. Bye bye.

CALLER: Bye.

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
12885 RESEARCH BLVD. # 101 A
AUSTIN, TX 78750-3223
512-331-1288

TAPE – 457

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CLINIC: Planned Parenthood. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: We sure don’t, but I’ve got some numbers of places that do.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Have a pen?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. I have the Austin Reproductive Services. The number’s 458-8274. I have the Austin Women’s Health Center. The number’s 443-2888. And I have one more if you’d like it. 835-6403. That’s the Austin Community Healthcare Center.

CALLER: Okay. Well, do you know if — well, I’m just really worried because like I’m going to be 14 in March and my friend told me that they would have to tell my parents. But like my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it and they wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. Yeah, you have to be 18 in order to get an abortion in Texas. So if that was — have you done a pregnancy test?

CALLER: No. I’m just really scared because I haven’t had my period since like December 21st.

CLINIC: Okay. What you would want to do is, if it ends up that you are pregnant I can give you some numbers to call. Hold on one second for me, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: (pause)

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CLINIC: Okay. Still there?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. If you find out that you are pregnant and you, you know, your parents won’t go with you to get an abortion or they won’t let you, you can call this number, and these people could possibly help you out.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay? You have a pencil?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. It’s 1-866-999-5263.

CALLER: Okay. And who are they exactly?

CLINIC: This is a — it’s called Jane’s Due Process, and it’s an organization that works for equal access for Texas minors to abortion.

CALLER: Okay. Does it cost anything?

CLINIC: Probably very, very little.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: But you might want to give them a call and just — first of all, you’re going to want to do a pregnancy test to make sure before you start calling, you know, them.

CALLER: Well, could I go in there for, where you’re at and do it?

CLINIC: Yeah, you can come in here and do a pregnancy test. You can do that. It runs $20.

CALLER: Okay. Well, he said he was going to pay for everything, but we didn’t want anyone to know anything about us. Would you guys have to know about him and ask questions, or —

CLINIC: I don’t have to know anything about him as long as you don’t tell me.

CALLER: Okay. Okay. Well, if it ended up that I wasn’t pregnant, do you guys have birth control there?

CLINIC: Um-hum.

CALLER: You do?

CLINIC: Yeah. We would have to set you up an appointment to meet with the nurse.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Okay? So that would be —

CALLER: It’s just I don’t want to have to go through all this again, so.

CLINIC: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then you need to do a pregnancy test and figure out where you are from there.

CALLER: Okay. Well, if I was on birth control, would you guys have to tell anybody that I was?

CLINIC: No. I wouldn’t have to tell anybody that you were on birth control. No.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: No. No. I just don’t want to know anything about your boyfriend. All right?

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, it’s just I don’t drive. Would he be able to pick it up though? I mean, I’m not old enough to drive yet. He would be the only way I could pick them up.

CLINIC: Right. Yeah, as long as they know he’s not your boyfriend.

CALLER: Oh. Okay.

CLINIC: Yeah. I need to not know that. Okay?

CALLER: Okay. You’ve been a big help. What was your name?

CLINIC: My name’s Janet. You just need to — you know, because you all are treading on some treacherous ground there with the age differences. Do you know what I’m talking about?

CALLER: No, not really.

CLINIC: Okay. Because you’re –

CALLER: What do you mean?

CLINIC: Well, he’s a whole lot older than you, and he could — he could get himself into some trouble.

CALLER: What kind? What do you mean?

CLINIC: Well, he could go to jail because there’s a big age difference.

CALLER: He could go to jail?

CLINIC: He could if someone pressed charges.

CALLER: But we’re in love. We’re going to get married. Why would — he’s, he has to be there to take care of me. I don’t understand.

CLINIC: I know, sweetie, but it’s because you’re a minor.

CALLER: But he loves me. I mean — he’s the only one that’s there for me.

CLINIC: I understand. I’m just telling you for your own, for your own knowledge, okay? It’s not a Planned Parenthood rule. It’s a Texas rule.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: So it’s better just not to have him involved, or not to say anything?

CLINIC: Right, not to, not to say that there’s — yeah. So tell me, how old are you?

CALLER: I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: Okay, 14, and are your parents around here, or —

CALLER: Oh, I live with my parents.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: But they just can’t — like they know we’re going out, but they just don’t really like him because they think he’s too old for me. But I mean, he’s only 22. I mean, he’s not that old.

CLINIC: Right. But —

CALLER: And he loves me, and we’re happy.

CLINIC: Right.

CALLER: And he’s the only one that ever listens to me.

CLINIC: Yeah, and I’m glad that he’s there for you. I am. I’m glad that he is, but the age difference in Texas if you all are having sex, it would be reportable if anybody wanted to report it.

CALLER: But you wouldn’t have to report him if we came in there?

CLINIC: Not if I didn’t know about it.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: All right.

CALLER: Thank you.

CLINIC: Um-hum. Bye bye.

CALLER: Bye.

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
2919 MANCHACA RD. # 100 A
AUSTIN, TX 78704-4817
512-441-5421

TAPE – 458

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CLINIC: Planned Parenthood. This is Betsy.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: We don’t, but I’m happy to give you numbers of places that do.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Are you here in South Austin?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. The closest one to Austin is the Austin Women’s Health Center. Their number is 443-2888.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: But there are other ones in town too. The Ladies Center. Their number is 835-6403. And then the Austin Women’s Health Center is 443-2888.

CALLER: Okay. Well, it’s just — my problem is, like I can’t tell my parents because like —

CLINIC: How old are you?

CALLER: I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: Oh, okay.

CALLER: But is there any way I wouldn’t have to tell my parents? Like my boyfriend’s 22. Could he just take care of it and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Well, you do need a letter from a judge saying that you’re mature enough to make your own decisions and that your parents don’t need to be notified. That’s called a judicial bypass.

CALLER: Well, how much does that cost?

CLINIC: Well, it should be free. It just takes a little bit of time. And there’s actually a place here in town that specializes in that, and if you’ll — if I can put you on hold for a second I’ll get their phone number.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Thanks.

RECORDING: (music) — stay on the line and a staffmember will be happy to give you more information. (music)

CLINIC: Okay. Their number is 1-866-wwwjane — so what is that? It’s 999-5263.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Yeah.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: And tell me what — the judicial bypass is a fairly straightforward thing here in Austin, and I know abortion clinics can certainly help you with that too. Do you have any idea how far along you are?

CALLER: Not really. I’m just really worried because like my last period was like December 21st, so.

CLINIC: Oh, okay. You can come here for a pregnancy test if you want.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Yeah, and it costs $20.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, that would be cool. But would you guys have to tell my parents about that though?

CLINIC: No, we wouldn’t, except that anyone who’s 13 or under who has a positive pregnancy test — and this is anywhere in Texas including the clinic — is required by law to make a phone call to the Child Protective Services.

CALLER: Why?

CLINIC: Just because it’s kind of a warning sign. It tends to be that people who are pregnant when they’re under 14 years old, it just happens that a higher percentage of those people are victims of abuse.

CALLER: Really? But I’m not being abused. Like my boyfriend, we’re in love. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: Yeah. Yeah. And that’s great, and Child Protective Services probably wouldn’t even call. I just kind of wanted to give you a heads up about that because that’s a good thing to know beforehand. That’s not — I’m sure that they would just make the phone call and then nothing else would happen. And certainly we would tell Child Protective Services to not call because you don’t want your parents to know and all that kind of stuff.

CALLER: Yeah. Well, what do you mean there’s like a higher percentage? I mean —

CLINIC: Well, it happens that — okay, imagine this. If like a 9-year-old was pregnant. I mean, to me that would be a problem.

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Yeah, she probably wasn’t wanting to be pregnant. And you sound like you’re really together, and you know to call us, and you’re going to do the next steps, and that’s fine. So you’re a little bit different. But someone who’s 10 years old and pregnant, a lot of times that’s not a good situation for her to be in. And that happens sometimes to people who are 11 years old too. So you sound like you’re a little bit different from the average, but there are just — it tends to be that when people are like 11 years old, 12 years old, even 13 years old sometimes when they’re pregnant that’s kind of a red flag. Sometimes saying maybe we should check into this situation to make sure they’re okay. For us, checking into that situation that’s all we need to hear is you say that you’re fine and you guys are happy, and that kind of thing, and that it’s your choice to have sex.

CALLER: Oh. So if we were all right you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Well, we would still have to call, but that would be the end of it. All we have to do is write down a case number so that basically they know that we checked with you to make sure that you were okay. Yeah. So we definitely would not tell your parents. Child Protective Services probably wouldn’t either.

CALLER: Okay. It’s just me and my boyfriend have been talking about this, and we don’t, we just don’t want anybody to know about us.

CLINIC: Yeah. No, for sure. And all of our services — beyond that law, I mean, that’s the law by the state of Texas, and beyond that law we certainly would respect your confidentiality.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted you to kind of know about that beforehand.

CALLER: Okay. But —

CLINIC: Yeah. But other than that, no, you’re fine. And I really — yeah. No, you’re fine. It’s nothing to be concerned about. I just wanted to let you know.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: They will be like asking that question.

CALLER: So like if my boyfriend was there with me would you guys have to tell on him or anything?

CLINIC: Oh, no. Uh-uh.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: No, we wouldn’t.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER: Even if like it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant?

CLINIC: If you weren’t pregnant? Then we wouldn’t have to do anything.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, could I get on birth control if I wasn’t pregnant?

CLINIC: Absolutely. Yeah, you can do that with us.

CALLER: And you wouldn’t have to tell anybody about that either?

CLINIC: No, not at all. That’s a good question, but we don’t tell anybody about that stuff. It’s just that the state of Texas says if there’s a positive pregnancy test then we have to do this.

CALLER: Oh, okay. It’s just I would rather be on birth control so we don’t have to go through all this again.

CLINIC: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, you can start using condoms now if you want. You can come in before 5:00 today for a pregnancy test or tomorrow between 9:00 and 12:00 and 2:00 and 5:00.

CALLER: Okay. Well, I’d have to call my boyfriend to see, but probably tomorrow afternoon maybe.

CLINIC: Okay, and we take cash or credit card for that. I’m Betsy. I know your story. You can ask for me so that you don’t have to go through the whole thing again.

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: If you want you can just walk in any time between 2:00 and 5:00 tomorrow afternoon, and we take cash or credit cards for that.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: It’s $20.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: All right, thanks.

CALLER: Thanks. Bye.

CLINIC: Bye.

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