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#827 – Women’s Health Center in Saginaw, MI

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WOMEN’S HEALTH CENTER
3141 CABARET TRAIL S # 100
SAGINAW, MI 48603
800-660-6234

TAPE – 827

(Dialing, phone ringing 2x)

CLINIC: Doctor’s office. This is Women’s Health Center. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering about getting an abortion. And I talked to Allison in Marquette, and she told me to talk to you guys.

CLINIC: Oh, okay. Did they give you the 24-hour information?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Because there is a law in Michigan that states that you have to receive abortion information 24 hours or more before you’re able to see the doctor. Were you at a Planned Parenthood?

CALLER: Well, I just called them, and she gave me your number.

CLINIC: If you’re close by them, you can either get it there or we can mail it or fax it to you.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: And then with getting our name from them, I can give you a fee of — between 6 and 12 weeks, the regular cash fee is $280. And I can give you the fee of 255.

CALLER: How do you know how many weeks you are?

CLINIC: We do an ultra sound. And we judge your appointment by when you started your last normal period.

CALLER: Well, that was January 15th.

CLINIC: January 15th. Let’s see. That would put you now at approximately six weeks, maybe just a little bit over.

CALLER: Okay. All right.

CLINIC: Because your most probable time of conception with that period date would have been the very end of January. It doesn’t mean that you couldn’t have gotten pregnant at another time. It’s just that that’s when you would have been the most fertile.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: We have appointments on Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays.

CALLER: Well, the thing is, I’m just kind of worried. I’m going to be 14 on the 19th, and my friend said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. You either have to bring in a parent with you or you can go to probate court and get what is called a court waiver of parental — where the court is actually giving you permission to have an abortion.

CALLER: Do they always give permission?

CLINIC: Yeah, I would say pretty much they do. So what I would do if I were you is look in the phone book under probate court, East (?). And call them, tell them what you need. And they should have all the information right there.

CALLER: Now, I know in the Saginaw area all it is is you go in and talk to a judge in the judge’s office and explain why you feel you can’t talk to your mom or dad about the pregnancy. They give you a legal document saying that they are giving you permission.

CALLER: Do I need like a lawyer for that though?

CLINIC: No, no.

CALLER: Well, how much does it cost?

CLINIC: They don’t charge for that.

CALLER: Oh, all right. So I could just come there and do that?

CLINIC: Well, you’d go to probate court. You have to talk to the probate judge. So I would look in your phone book under probate court and call them.

CALLER: Well, me and my boyfriend were talking about all this. And he said he would pay cash for everything. After I go to court and whatever and they say it’s okay, could we come there, and he would pay for everything?

CLINIC: Yeah, sure.

CALLER: But would his name have to be on anything? We just don’t want anyone to know about us.

CLINIC: No. His name doesn’t have to be on anything. It would just be your name.

CALLER: Okay. So even if he’s paying, they wouldn’t know?

CLINIC: The receipt for it would be under your name.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: We have appointments. It’s Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays. You have to get your 24-hour information first. So I would check back with Planned Parenthood, tell them you need the 24-hour information, and call probate court, when you can get an appointment.

CALLER: Well, I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would you guys do that there beforehand?

CLINIC: Yeah. But the only thing is, I would suggest that you have a pregnancy test before you do anything else.

CALLER: Okay. So I should come there for that then?

CLINIC: Well, if you’re that far away, I would just get one in your area. What city are you in?

CALLER: I’m in Marquette.

CLINIC: Yeah. That’s a long ways from here to come for a pregnancy test.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Yeah. I would get on in your own area if I were you.

CALLER: All right. If it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control from you guys? It’s just me and my boyfriend don’t want to have to worry about all this anymore.

CLINIC: No. We don’t see patients here for birth control.

CALLER: Oh, all right.

CLINIC: But you could probably maybe through Planned Parenthood get some information on that.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: All right?

CALLER: If I had any other questions — I need to talk to my boyfriend to see when he can get off work to make an appointment, but can I call him and call you back? What was your name?

CLINIC: My name is Janice. Do you have our 800 number?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: All right. Thanks.

CLINIC: Okay. Bye bye.

***END***

#828 – Scottsdale Women’s Center in Detroit, MI

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SCOTTSDALE WOMEN’S CENTER
DETROIT, MI 48219
313-538-2020

TAPE – 828

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Scottsdale Women’s Center. Lorraine.

CALLER: What did you say? I can’t hear you?

CLINIC: Scottsdale Women’s Center. Lorraine speaking.

CALLER: Oh. Hi, I’m sorry. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: Do you know how much it cost for that?

CLINIC: How far along are you?

CALLER: I’m not really sure. How do you know?

CLINIC: When did you have your last normal menstrual period?

CALLER: January 15th.

CLINIC: That would be $230.

CALLER: All right. I’m just kind of worried. I’m going to be 14 on the 19th of this month, and my friend said that you guys wold have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of everything, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. You would have to have parental consent. Your boyfriend cannot sign for you. If you can’t tell your parents, then there’s a program called judicial bypass.

CALLER: What is that?

CLINIC: You have to come in and get a ultra sound to confirm your pregnancy. Then we would put you in touch with an attorney.

CALLER: How much does that cost?

CLINIC: There is no charge to go to court.

CALLER: Oh, all right.

CLINIC: And you go to court, and the judge will give you permission to have the abortion based on your level of maturity.

CALLER: Well, does the judge usually say that it’s all right?

CLINIC: Usually, yes.

CALLER: Oh, okay. It’s just me and my boyfriend, we were talking about all this. And he said that he would pay cash for everything, but we don’t want anyone to know anything about us. Would he have to sign anything or fill out any forms if he was paying?

CLINIC: No. Everything is strictly confidential.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: So you can just walk into the clinic for your ultra sound. It’s $50 for the ultra sound, and that goes toward the abortion.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Well, if it ended up that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control there?

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: I just haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. But if I was on birth control, would you guys have to tell anybody about that?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: All right. Okay. If I had any other questions, is it all right if I call you back?

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: When is your next appointment?

CLINIC: You don’t need an appointment for the ultra sound. You can just walk in between 8:30 and 4:30.

CALLER: Okay. All right.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: So I’ll call my boyfriend, and then we’ll come in.

CLINIC: All right.

CALLER: Okay. Thanks.

***END***

#785 – Eastland Women’s Clinic in Eastpointe, MI

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EASTLAND WOMEN’S CLINIC
15921 E 8 MILE RD
EASTPOINTE, MI 48021
810-774-4190

TAPE – 785

(Dialing, phone ringing 2x)

CLINIC: (Unclear) office. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Um-hmm.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: How far along; do you know?

CALLER: Well, not really. I just haven’t my period since January 3rd.

CLINIC: Okay. It would be 175.

CALLER: I’m just kind of worried because I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is that old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. You’d have to come in and get a waiver through the courts if you want to come in without your parents. You have to come in for some paperwork, and we’ll tell you how you can do it without your parents.

CALLER: All right. How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: Nothing.

CALLER: Oh, okay. The thing is, me and my boyfriend were talking about all this, and we decided we don’t want anyone to know about us. But he said he would pay for everything in cash. Would he have to sign anything or fill out any forms if he was paying?

CLINIC: No, he doesn’t.

CALLER: Oh, all right.

CLINIC: Just stop in and get — tell them that you want papers for a bypass. And they’ll give you all the paperwork and tell you what you need to do.

CALLER: Okay. Would you guys do a pregnancy test beforehand just to make sure I was pregnant?

CLINIC: Um-hmm.

CALLER: Okay. Because I haven’t had one of those yet.

CLINIC: That will be $10.

CALLER: Okay. Well, when do you normally do those?

CLINIC: You’ve missed very long enough. You can come in and have it done.

CALLER: What are your hours?

CLINIC: 9 to 4:30 during the week, the weekdays, and 8 to 11:30 Saturday morning.

CALLER: Do I need an appointment or anything?

CLINIC: No. It’s just walk in.

CALLER: Could I come in on Saturday then?

CLINIC: You can, but it’s our busiest day. You may be waiting a while. It’s our busiest day. We don’t have patients in the afternoon however. During the afternoon from like 2 and 4:30, there’s no one here. It’s up to you. You’re welcome to come in on Saturday, but we’re very busy.

CALLER: Well, it’s just my boyfriend works during the week, and that would be the only time I could get there. But if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, do you guys do birth control there too?

CLINIC: Um-hmm.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: You have to have a pap smear done, and it would be $90.

CALLER: But would anybody have to know if I was on birth control?

CLINIC: Nope.

CALLER: Oh, all right. So you sure nobody would have to know about me and my boyfriend?

CLINIC: No, uh-uh. Judicial bypass? No.

CALLER: And you’re sure the judge would say it’s all right?

CLINIC: That I can’t guarantee. That’s up to him.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: If I had any other questions, could I call and talk to you? What was your name?

CLINIC: This is Jenai (ph), but I won’t be here this afternoon. Anyone who answers the phone can help you with that.

CALLER: Okay. All right. Thanks.

CLINIC: All right. You’re welcome.

CALLER: Bye.

CLINIC: Bye.

***END***

#781 – Summit Medical Center in Detroit, MI

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SUMMIT MEDICAL CENTER
15801 W. MC NICHOLS RD.
DETROIT, MI 48235
313-272-8450

TAPE – 781

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Thomas Medical Center. (Unclear) speaking. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: When was your last menstrual cycle?

CALLER: January 3rd.

CLINIC: For 12 weeks, the fee is $275. Are you a student or do you have a Medicaid card?

CALLER: Well, no. My main thing is I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend —

CLINIC: You’ll be what?

CALLER: I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No, he’s not. No, he’s not.

CALLER: Okay. So what do I do?

CLINIC: Umm, hold on a second.

CALLER: Okay.

RECORDING: — so please ask our staff.

Thomas Medical Center is located in the northwest area of Detroit on McNichols (ph) near Greenfield (ph). Our hours are Monday, Tuesday and Thursday from 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., Wednesday from 8:30 a.m. to 6 p.m., Friday from 7 a.m. to 6:30 p.m., and Saturday from 8 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. You may stop in anytime for a free pregnancy test.

– if the condom breaks, you miss a pill, or you just goofed, there is still something you can do to prevent pregnancy. The Morning After pill treatment is a low-cost, second chance for preventing pregnancy. To be effective the treatment must begin within 72 hours of unprotected intercourse. Ask about the Morning After pill, and a counselor will be happy to give you further detail.

CLINIC: Hello?

CALLER: Um-hmm.

CLINIC: Do you have a close relative or an aunt or cousin or something that’s over 18?

CALLER: No. My boyfriend’s 22.

CLINIC: Yeah, you keep talking about your boyfriend. But do you know it’s against the law for him to be with you?

CALLER: What do you mean?

CLINIC: What I mean is you’re a minor. And he can go to jail for being with you.

CALLER: He can go to jail?

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: Why? I mean, he can’t go to jail. He’s the only one that’s here for me.

CLINIC: It doesn’t matter. You’re under age.

CALLER: Well, what am I suppose to do?

CLINIC: I don’t know what you’re suppose to do.

CALLER: Well, what can I do?

CLINIC: Nothing. Because if you take him anywhere with you, he’s going to go to jail.

CALLER: Well, I don’t want him to go to jail.

CLINIC: Well, he will.

CALLER: How can I get an abortion and not let him go to jail?

CLINIC: You can’t. You have to have your parents’ permission.

CALLER: But I can’t tell them.

CLINIC: That’s the only thing that you can do.

CALLER: But I can’t tell them at all.

CLINIC: That’s the only option that you have, sweetie.

CALLER: Well, is there anyplace else I could go?

CLINIC: No. You really don’t understand what I’m saying. What I’m saying is, you are under age. You’re a minor. He is 22 years old. It’s against the law. It’s against the law for him to be with a 14-year-old girl.

CALLER: Okay. But he loves me.

CLINIC: It doesn’t matter. Nothing that you says matter because you are a minor.

CALLER: Oh. So there’s no way that I can —

CLINIC: The only option that you have is either telling your parents and having them come and sign for you or if you can find an aunt or a cousin or something like that. They can bring you in and that is a support person for you. And you can get a judicial bypass where you won’t have to tell your parents. But you will have to tell some adult relative and let them be your support person in order to even get a judicial bypass.

CALLER: What’s a judicial bypass?

CLINIC: That’s where you go before the judge, and the judge grants you maturity to make the decision on your own.

CALLER: Well, do the judges ever say no?

CLINIC: Yeah, it’s a possibility. It depends on how mature you are.

CALLER: Do I need to get a lawyer for that?

CLINIC: No, you don’t.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Like I said, you have to have an adult relative or a support person in order to do that. And it has to be a relative, not your boyfriend.

CALLER: Well, could it be a friend?

CLINIC: But with him down there, they’re going to arrest him.

CALLER: Well, could it be a friend?

CLINIC: No. It has to be a relative.

CALLER: Do you guys do pregnancy tests there just to make sure I am pregnant?

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: I just haven’t one of those yet.

CLINIC: You can walk in for a pregnancy test today up until 4:30.

CALLER: Okay. But would you have to tell anybody then?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: My boyfriend has to bring me. He’d be the only way I could get there. Would you get him arrested?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Okay. If it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, do you guys do birth control there?

CLINIC: Yes, we do. And you can make an appointment for that if the results came back that you were not pregnant.

CALLER: Would anybody have to know if I was getting birth control though?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: And you wouldn’t have to tell anybody about my boyfriend?

CLINIC: No, we would not.

CALLER: The thing is, I can’t drive. Would my boyfriend be able to pick up the pills?

CLINIC: No. You would have to pick them up.

CALLER: Well, you’ve been really helpful. Could I call you if — I just had no idea —

CLINIC: For more information?

CALLER: Yeah. What was your name?

CLINIC: My name is Autumn.

CALLER: Okay. Thanks

CLINIC: All right. Bye bye.

***END***

#782 – Northland Family Planning Center West- The Health Center For Women in Westland, MI

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NORTHLAND FAMILY PLANNING CENTER WEST- THE HEALTH CENTER FOR WOMEN
35000 FORD RD.
WESTLAND, MI 48185
734-721-4700

TAPE – 782

(Dialing, phone ringing 2x)

CLINIC: Northland (?) Family Planning. This is Liz. How can I help you.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: We do.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: You’re a student?

CALLER: Well, I’m homeschooled.

CLINIC: Our fee for under 12 weeks is $285.

CALLER: How do you know how many weeks you are?

CLINIC: Well, you can use your last period or that day we do an ultra sound as well.

CALLER: My last period was January 3rd.

CLINIC: So right now you’re about nine weeks into the pregnancy.

CALLER: So it would be that price that you said?

CLINIC: 285, yes.

CALLER: Okay. I’m kind of worried. My friend told me that since I’m going to be 14 later on this month, she said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: How old are you?

CALLER: I’m 13. I’ll be 14 on the 19th.

CLINIC: If you want to do it without your parents knowing, you’d have to come in and get paperwork from us. We’d give you names of lawyers to call. And you would have to contact a lawyer, they’d go in front of a judge with you, and the judge can give you permission. That’s the only way you can do it.

CALLER: How much does it cost to do that?

CLINIC: It’s free.

CALLER: Okay. Well, does the judge always give permission?

CLINIC: Well, you have to go through the information. The judge interviews you because they want to make sure that you are mature enough and that you understand the decision that you’re making and the complications and the risks involved. And we give you all that information. So if you read it, then you can answer the judge’s questions.

CALLER: Okay. So you think he would say yes?

CLINIC: Yep. You said that you’re 13?

CALLER: Right.

CLINIC: And your boyfriend is?

CALLER: He’s 22.

CLINIC: Are your parents aware of that?

CALLER: Well, yeah. They know we’re going out. He works with my dad. But they don’t know we’re having sex. I mean, if they found out about that I don’t know what they would do. They can’t find out at all.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: If I was talking to the lawyer and the judge, would they have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. But you want to talk to your lawyer once you meet him.

CALLER: Okay. Could I come in there for a pregnancy test just to make sure?

CLINIC: Have you taken one at home?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Okay, yeah. You can come in.

CALLER: Are the ones you take at home usually right though?

CLINIC: Yeah, they’re very accurate.

CALLER: Are the ones that you have better?

CLINIC: No, they’re the same. If you’re going to go in front of a judge, you have to come in and get the paperwork that you need.

CALLER: And I can just do like a pregnancy test then?

CLINIC: Yep.

CALLER: Okay. Well, if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control from you guys?

CLINIC: You have to have a pap smear.

CALLER: Okay. How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: Sixty dollars.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: They’ll give you all your pills for free.

CALLER: But would you have to tell anybody if I was on birth control though?

CLINIC: No, no, no.

CALLER: Me and my boyfriend have been talking about this a lot, and we don’t want anyone to know about us. If he was paying for everything, would he have to sign any forms or anything?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: All right. When do you normally do the pregnancy test?

CLINIC: Where do you live?

CALLER: I live in Lavonia.

CLINIC: You want to come into our Westland office today before 4:30?

CALLER: How long does it take?

CLINIC: You’re here about half an hour.

CALLER: Well, I have to call my boyfriend and see if he can get the time off work. But I think so. Should I just call you back after I call him?

CLINIC: You can just come in, as long as you’re here before 4:30 or tomorrow we’re open until 4:30 again.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: All right?

CALLER: All right. Thanks.

***END***

#783 – Michigan Abortion Clinic in Niles, MI

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MICHIGAN ABORTION CLINIC
703 E. MAIN ST.
NILES, MI 49120
616-683-6100

TAPE – 783

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: McShehan (ph) Medical Center. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: It depends on how far you are. Have you had a positive test?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Okay. You need to do that first. When was your last period?

CALLER: January 3rd.

CLINIC: Right now we are scheduling for — we do procedures on Tuesdays only. It would be Tuesday, 19th of March. And if your dates are correct, the fee would be 400. But if you wait any longer than that, then it’s going to go up to 500.

CALLER: Do you guys do the pregnancy test there?

CLINIC: You need to do a pregnancy test first. Yeah, we do do pregnancy tests here. We do them on Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays any time between 9 and 4. You have to bring a first-morning urine specimen, because the pregnancy hormones are more concentrated in the first-morning urine. So next week you can come on Wednesday, Thursday or Friday. We’ll run the test. And if it’s positive, then you can make the appointment.

CALLER: My main question is, I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of everything —

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: — and you don’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Nope. It’s a law both in Indiana and Michigan that you have to have a parent come and sign to have the abortion procedure. Now, there is a thing called a judicial bypass where you have to go — what state do you live in?

CALLER: I live in Michigan.

CLINIC: Okay. You have to go before a judge, and then he grants what is call the judicial bypass, then you don’t have to tell your parents. But the problem is you’re running short on time as far as the fee being more. The only other alternative that you have is you can go to Chicago and have the procedure done there. They do not have parental consent there.

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend said he would pay cash for everything. But we were talking about it and we don’t want anyone to know about us. If he was paying for everything, would he have to sign anything or fill out any forms?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh, okay. How much does a judicial bypass cost?

CLINIC: It doesn’t cost anything that I know of.

CALLER: Oh, okay. If the pregnancy test turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I come in there and get some birth control from you guys?

CLINIC: Yeah. But there’s a fee for it. You have to have an exam and a pap smear and all that kind of stuff.

CALLER: How much is that?

CLINIC: Well, the initial exam is $75.

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend said that he would pay for everything. We just don’t want to worry about all this anymore.

CLINIC: Right, right. But the first thing you need to do is get a pregnancy test, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: So let’s start there.

CALLER: Do I come in to where you’re at to get one?

CLINIC: Yeah.

CALLER: When do you normally do them?

CLINIC: I just told you. We do them on Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays, but not tomorrow. We’re having a clinic day tomorrow that we normally don’t have. So it has to be next week, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday, any time between 9 and 4. You don’t have to have an appointment for the pregnancy test, but you have to be here between 9 and 4.

CALLER: Well, how long does it take?

CLINIC: Two minutes.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: It’s just with a urine test. Where do you live? What city do you live in?

CALLER: I live in Three Rivers.

CLINIC: Oh. I was going to say, is there a health department there?

CALLER: I don’t know. My boyfriend just gave me the number to talk to you guys because he would rather go to you.

CLINIC: Well, you come here for the procedure, but I mean you don’t have to come this far to have a pregnancy test done. If there’s a health department in your town, which there usually should be — you can look in your phone book under your county, the name of your county, and it will tell you where your health department is.

CALLER: Oh. But would they have to tell anybody if I was there for that?

CLINIC: No, no, no. No. They don’t tell people anything. And they offer free pregnancy tests also. Or you can even go to the drug store and buy the at-home tests.

CALLER: Are those usually right though?

CLINIC: Yeah, but you need to read the directions and follow the directions. So you can do that. You can just do it at home.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: If it’s positive, then you call us. And then we can make an appointment for you and all that stuff.

CALLER: So what was your name again?

CLINIC: My name is Tam (?). Now, the only thing is, like I told you, if you come here, either your mom has to come or your father has to come. See? Because it’s a law —

CALLER: But what about the judicial bypass?

CLINIC: Well, if you go do that, then the judge will give you a sheet of paper that says that you have a judicial bypass. And then you have to bring that here with you.

CALLER: And he won’t tell my mom and dad?

CLINIC: Nope.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Nope.

CALLER: All right. So I’ll just get a pregnancy test, and then call you back, all right?

CLINIC: Yep. Okay.

CALLER: Thank you.

CLINIC: You’re welcome. Bye bye.

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#784 – Heritage Clinic in Grand Rapids, MI

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HERITAGE CLINIC
72 RANSOM AVE NE
GRAND RAPIDS, MI 49503
616-458-3694

TAPE – 784

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Heritage Clinic for Women. Can I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: Okay. Well, how much does it cost?

CLINIC: Well, it varies a lot depending on the length of pregnancy. Are you calling for yourself?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Do you have any idea when the first day of your last period was?

CALLER: January 3rd.

CLINIC: So you’re still going to be in the first trimester there. It looks like you’d probably be in your 10th week right now. Up through the 12th week, it’s all one price. Do you have insurance or Medicaid?

CALLER: Well, no. The thing is, I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents about all this. But my boyfriend’s 22. He said he would pay for everything. Would that be all right, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Well, there’s actually a law in the state of Michigan that you have to either have consent from your parents — like a parent would have to come with you — or you can go through the court system and get what’s called a judicial bypass. What you do is you would just go to the courts and fill out some papers. And then an attorney would help you out. And you’d have a hearing with the judge. And at that point the judge just needs to decide if you’re mature enough to make this decision on your own or if there’s like a reason why it would put your life at risk or be a really bad thing to tell your parents about it. They usually grant that, and they give you some papers. And then you can just come with the papers.

CALLER: Okay. Well, how much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: Usually the judicial bypass is free.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: So you probably won’t have to worry about that. The abortion itself would probably be $440. And that goes up until the 12th week. You said January 3rd. So you’ll probably have until the end of March for it to still be that same price.

CALLER: Do you know if the judge ever says no or anything?

CLINIC: I can only think of one time when the judge has ever said no, so it’s pretty rare.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: But you can definitely try that before resorting to telling your parents. What county do you live in?

CALLER: I live in Lowell. I’m not sure which county that is.

CLINIC: I’m not sure what county that is either. Let me put you on hold for one second, and I’ll find out, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: What’s your first name?

CALLER: Lisa.

CLINIC: Okay, Lisa. My name is Anna. I’ll be back with you in one second.

(Pause)

CLINIC: Okay, Lisa. Lowell’s in Kent County. So the person you’d want to call, her name is Crystal. Her phone number is 632-5055. You need to tell her that you need a judicial bypass. Sometimes they call it something else, and I can’t think of what that is. But just tell her that you’re under 18, and you’re trying to get an abortion without your parents’ permission, and she’ll be able to help you out with that. Probably what you’ll just need to do is, if you can get a ride down there to see her, you’ll just meet with her, and then meet with a judge a couple days later. And then you’ll be all set. They’ll just give you some papers, and you can either come in here and set up an appointment or you can just give us a call, and we can help you out with that part too.

CALLER: All right. Well, my boyfriend and me were talking about all this, and he said that he was going to pay cash for everything, but we don’t want anyone to know about us. If he was paying for it all, would he have to fill out any forms or anything?

CLINIC: No. Everything here is going to be confidential. You don’t have to worry. There’s no way that anyone could get any of the information that you give us here except for you, unless you give your permission. So like your parents could never come here and say, look, I think my daughter was here, give me her records, or something like that.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: You wouldn’t have to worry about that.

CALLER: I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would you guys be able to do that there?

CLINIC: Yep. You need to have a pregnancy test before you get the judicial bypass.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: You can just take a home test, buy one at the pharmacy.

CALLER: Oh, really? Are those usually right though?

CLINIC: Yeah. They’re actually very, very accurate.

CALLER: Okay. Well, if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I ge t birth control from you guys? It’s just me and my boyfriend don’t want to have to go through all this again.

CLINIC: It probably would be easiest for you and cheapest for you if you went to Planned Parenthood.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Have you ever heard of those places?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Let me give you another phone number– 616-459-3101. And they’re a great place to go for birth control. You probably don’t have job?

CALLER: Right.

CLINIC: School and stuff. Especially like — that’s just the cheapest way to go, on your income. So that will probably be the best place to go for birth control because here it will be more expensive.

CALLER: But they wouldn’t have to tell anybody either?

CLINIC: Nope.

CALLER: Okay. So you’re sure if I come to your place that nobody would have to know about me or my boyfriend or any of this?

CLINIC: No. The only people that would know are us who work here.

CALLER: All right. And your name was Ann?

CLINIC: Anna.

CALLER: Okay

CLINIC: So if you have any — just call back. You can ask for me. But if I’m busy or with someone, that’s fine. Anyone who you talk to will be able to help you out with that.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Thanks, Lisa.

CALLER: Thanks.

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#569 – Planned Parenthood in Casper, WY

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
1945 WESTWOOD HL
CASPER, WY 82604-3266
307-234-1669

TAPE – 569

(dialing sounds) (ringing 2X)

CLINIC: Good morning. Planned Parenthood.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: No, we don’t.

CALLER: Oh. Well, do you know of any place that does?

CLINIC: Ft. Collins, Colorado. And that number is 1-800-360-0665.

CALLER: Okay. Well do you know — I’m just really worried because like my friend told me — well, I’m going to be 14 next month, and my friend said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it and they wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Can you hold on just a minute?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: (pause) You would need to call the number I gave you because the laws on that vary from state to state. So you’d have to call that 800 number and ask them.

CALLER: Well, would they have to tell my parents?

CLINIC: You would have to ask them that.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, could I — I’m just worried about all this because I haven’t had my period since like December 26 and I’m scared.

CLINIC: Oh. Maybe you should talk to them.

CALLER: Well, could I come in there for a pregnancy test though?

CLINIC: You sure could, and it’s $22.

CALLER: Okay. But would you have to tell anybody I was there for that?

CLINIC: No. No. No. No, we wouldn’t.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend said that he would pay for everything, but we were talking about all this, and we decided we didn’t want a whole bunch of people to know about us. Would he have to sign anything if he’s paying for it?

CLINIC: No. But you do have to fill out a sheet of paper, but everything is confidential here.

CALLER: Oh, okay. But if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant could I get birth control there?

CLINIC: Yeah, you could.

CALLER: It’s just, we don’t want to have to go through all this again, so — but.

CLINIC: Right. It would be– we have what we call a HOPE visit. $25. And then the pills run between $18 and $22. But you need to have that test done first.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: And you need to do it right away.

CALLER: Oh. Well, if I wasn’t pregnant and I was on birth control, could I get birth control like real quick, or — do you have to –

CLINIC: You have to — what you do is, you start the birth control pills the Sunday following your period. Say you started your period today; you would start those pills on Sunday.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Okay? But you know, that’s a long time, so you need to have that pregnancy test done immediately.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Okay. Well, I just have a lot of questions and I –

CLINIC: I know you do, and that’s why it would probably a real good idea for you to come in and have the test.

CALLER: Okay. Well, what time are you there?

CLINIC: Well, we’re here from 9:00 to 4:00 today and you don’t have to have an appointment. You can just walk in.

CALLER: Well, I have to call my boyfriend and see if he had any other questions, but could I call and ask you? W hat as your name?

CLINIC: Well, my name’s Dixie, but I would rather have you talk to the nurse practitioner because –

CALLER: Oh. Well, what’s her name?

CLINIC: Nancy or Starla.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay, but you know, the longer you wait if you need an abortion the more expensive it is because that fetus is growing.

CALLER: Well, do you know about how much it is?

CLINIC: No, honey, and you would have to call that number in Ft. Collins.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: But I think your best bet would be to come in and confirm one way or the other. And it only takes a few minutes.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: All right. Thanks.

CLINIC: Um-hum.

CALLER: Bye.

(phone clicks)

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#570 – Planned Parenthood in Muskegon, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
1642 PECK ST
MUSKEGON, MI 49441-2582
231-722-2928

TAPE – 570

(dialing sounds) (ringing 2X)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood. This is Lee Ann(sp). How may I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: No. We give information here on where a person can go to obtain abortion services.

CALLER: So I can ask you a question?

CLINIC: Sure.

CALLER: Okay. Well, I’m just worried about all this because — well, my friend told me — like I’ll be 14 next month and she said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Well, do you know for a fact you’re pregnant?

CALLER: Well, no. I just haven’t had my period since like December 26, and I’m scared.

CLINIC: Okay. Well, not doing a pregnancy test is your mistake. You should do one of those before you go looking into an abortion.

CALLER: Oh. Well, could I come in there for that?

CLINIC: Yeah. If you want to come in. Are you able to come in now? I can run a pregnancy test for you.

CALLER: Well, I’d have to call my boyfriend to come and get me, but I think so.

CLINIC: Okay. I can run a test for you.

CALLER: How late are you guys there today?

CLINIC: You have to be — there is a law. You have to be an adult to make your own decisions. There’s only one other way I know of that you wouldn’t have to share that with a parent, and that’s to go in before a judge and have him say that you don’t have to tell your parents.

CALLER: Does he ever say that I have to tell my parents?

CLINIC: Well, there are judges that are set up specifically to help teens.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: You know? To figure that out. So — but you don’t even know if you’re pregnant, hon, and you’re giving yourself extra worry before you even know the fact.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: You may not be pregnant. You may be freaking out and missing a period because you think you’re pregnant. You know what I mean?

CALLER: But I haven’t had my period since like the day after Christmas.

CLINIC: That doesn’t matter.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: Just because you missed a period doesn’t, for a fact, mean you’re pregnant.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Okay? You need to test.

CALLER: If I come in there for the test and I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control?

CLINIC: Not today, but we can make an appointment for you to get on birth control and have an exam and all that, but we can’t do that for you today. I can do the test. We don’t have a nurse here. So.

CALLER: Okay. Well, would anybody have to know that I was on birth control though?

CLINIC: No. That is a law in Michigan also that teens can seek birth control without their parents’ knowledge.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: How long does it take to do the pregnancy test?

CLINIC: Five minutes.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Yep.

CALLER: Well, how late are you guys open today?

CLINIC: We’re here until 5:00.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Okay? But I would come in, you know, before 4:00 if you could. We have stuff to do and other patients coming in, so.

CALLER: Okay. Well, my boyfriend and I were talking about all this, and he said that he would pay for everything, but we also decided that we didn’t want anyone to know about us. If he was paying, would he have to sign anything?

CLINIC: No, he doesn’t have to know. I mean, he doesn’t have to do anything. If he’s paying for it he just gives you the money, but as a minor, as a 14-year-old person, you have to either share this with your parent or go before the judge and have him say it’s okay. A parent has to sign saying it’s okay. It’s like any other surgery for you because you’re 14.

CALLER: Oh. Well, how much does it cost to go to the judge?

CLINIC: There is no charge for before a judge.

CALLER: Oh, really?

CLINIC: Okay? So we’ll talk about that when you come in.

CALLER: Well, would he tell my parents about this?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh. Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: We’ll talk about it when you come in.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: What’s your name just so I can jot you down?

CALLER: It’s Lisa.a

CLINIC: Lisa?

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: See you later.

CALLER: Thanks.

CLINIC: Bye bye.

CALLER: Bye.

(phone clicks)

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#540 – East Central Planned Parenthood in Burton, MI

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EAST CENTRAL PLANNED PARENTHOOD
1235 S CENTER RD # 17
BURTON, MI 48509-1700
810-743-4490

TAPE – 540

(dialing sounds) (ringing 2X)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh. Well, do you know of any place that does?

CLINIC: Cinnamon?) Health Care Center.

CALLER: Okay, where is that?

CLINIC: You can look it up in the phone book under “abortion.”

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: You don’t have the number for that though?

CLINIC: Uh-uh.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, do you know — I’m just really worried about all this because like I’m going to be 14 next month.

CLINIC: Um-hum.

CALLER: And my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents I’m getting an abortion. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is it all right if he just signs whatever it is, and they wouldn’t have to tell anybody about anything?

CLINIC: You sound like you need to talk to a counselor.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay. Call over to the other site. The number is 238-3631. And ask to speak to Anita.

CALLER: Anita?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: Okay. Well, could I come in there for a pregnancy test though, just to see if I was pregnant?

CLINIC: Yes, you could. They’re $5.

CALLER: Okay. Well, would you have to tell anybody that I was there for a pregnancy test though?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, I’m not old enough to drive. My boyfriend said that he would bring me and pay for everything. But we were talking about all this, and we just don’t want my parents to know. But –

CLINIC: Well, it would probably be better for you to talk, like I said, talk to the counselor over there. It doesn’t have anything to do with your parents.

CALLER: Oh. But to come in for the pregnancy test would you guys have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, he would have to be there with me. Would that be all right?

CLINIC: Yeah.

CALLER: Okay. But he said — would he have to sign anything? He’s just worried about people finding out if he –

CLINIC: No. No.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Well, if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant could I get birth control there?

CLINIC: You would have to get an exam done.

CALLER: Oh, okay. But would they have to tell anybody about birth control though?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, I just have a lot of questions. I don’t know. But could I call you back about the — like if my boyfriend had any questions about the pregnancy test could I call and ask you?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: What was your name?

CLINIC: You sure can.

CALLER: What was your name?

CLINIC: Deborah.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Thanks.

CLINIC: Um-hum. Bye bye.

CALLER: Bye.

(phone clicks)

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