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#836 – Office Of Dr. Keno in Corpus Christi, TX

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OFFICE OF DR. KENO
1901 MORGAN AVE.
CORPUS CHRISTI, TX 78404
631-888-7972

TAPE – 836

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Good afternoon, Dr. (unclear) office. Can you please hold?

CALLER: Well, I was wondering if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: Okay. How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: Okay. Can you hold on one second?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Thank you.

(Pause)

CLINIC: Thank you for holding. How may I help you?

CALLER: Yeah. I was wondering how much it cost to get an abortion?

CLINIC: How far along are you?

CALLER: Huh?

CLINIC: How far along are you?

CALLER: I’m not really sure. How do you know?

CLINIC: Huh?

CALLER: How do you know —

CLINIC: When was the first day of your last period?

CALLER: January 15th.

CLINIC: January 15th?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: That was the first day?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. Right now you’re exactly eight weeks.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Ten weeks and under is 320. If you have a negative blood type, it’s 65 extra.

CALLER: Are you there?

CLINIC: Yeah, I’m here.

CALLER: I was just actually wondering — I’m kind of worried. I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he hold enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Actually, you can’t have your boyfriend here. And if I were you, I wouldn’t let them know about the boyfriend, because then they could press charges against him.

CALLER: Why?

CLINIC: Because he’s 22 and you’re not even 14. You know what I mean? The best you could do is go to the courthouse and get a waiver. How old are you, 13?

CALLER: Yeah. I’ll be 14 on the 19th.

CLINIC: (Talking to someone else) She’ll be 14 on the 19th. I don’t think they would.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Um-hmm.

CALLER: Well, what can I do?

CLINIC: Either way, we’re going to need a police report because of your age.

CALLER: Why? What do you mean? What could happen?

CLINIC: That’s what I’m saying. Hold on one second.

(Pause)

CLINIC: Hello, honey?

CALLER: Yeah?

CLINIC: Okay. You need to notify either your mother or your father.

CALLER: But I can’t tell them at all.

CLINIC: Okay. You’re only 13 years old. You’re a child. And you have to tell your parents, and they have to go get a police report, because that’s the law.

CALLER: Why do they have to get a police report?

CLINIC: Because it’s the law. And, unfortunately, there’s nothing we can do about that. Okay?

CALLER: But if they find out, they’ll be furious. I can’t tell them at all. I mean, I don’t know what to do. They can’t find out.

CLINIC: Okay. But you’re only 13 years old.

CALLER: But I’ll be 14 like in —

CLINIC: Honey, it does not make a difference. Even when you turn 14, you’re still a child. You are a young child.

CALLER: Well, what can I do? I can’t tell them at all.

CLINIC: I don’t know, sweetie. There’s really nothing else because that’s the law. Legally, if you try to do something else, it would be against the law, you know? It’s the law. We have no control over it. It’s just the way it is.

CALLER: Well, can I come in there for a pregnancy test just to make sure?

CLINIC: No, ma’am. Not without notifying one of your parents. Okay?

CALLER: Okay. I’m scared. I don’t know what to do.

CLINIC: I’m really sorry about that, but it’s out of our hands. Okay?

CALLER: Well, if I had any other questions, could I call and talk to you? What was your name?

CLINIC: No. You need to tell your parents. We’re not even allowed to really counsel you without your parents’ permission. Okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Thank you.

***END***

#837 – Austin Common Health Center in Austin, TX

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AUSTIN COMMON HEALTH CENTER
AUSTIN, TX 78753
512-835-6403

TAPE – 837

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Ladies Center. This is Sheila.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: Do you know how much it cost for that?

CLINIC: Up to 12 weeks of pregnancy the fee is $425.

CALLER: Okay. Well, how do you know how many weeks you are?

CLINIC: You count the weeks from the first day of your last period.

CALLER: Oh. Well, that was January 15th.

CLINIC: So you’re in your first trimester. You’re under 12 weeks, and the fee is 425.

CALLER: All right. I’m just kind of worried. My boyfriend and I were talking about all this, and he said he would pay for everything. Well, I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Could he just take care of it all, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. The law in Texas has changed over the last year. If you’re under 18, you have to have parental notification or you could go before a judge and get a judicial bypass.

CALLER: How do you do that?

CLINIC: I can give you a phone number, and you can call and see about doing that. You’re going to call Sidney Childress (sp). And the phone number is 707-1985. Tell them that you’re under 18, and you’re trying to get a termination without your parent’s acknowledgement.

CALLER: Well, how much does it cost for all that?

CLINIC: I don’t think it’s very expensive at all. There’s a simple procedure. And see if they can help you.

CALLER: Well, do they usually say it’s okay?

CLINIC: We have many young girls come in here who’ve gone before a judge. The judge says that you’re able to make this decision on your own without your parents’ knowledge.

CALLER: Okay. Me and my boyfriend and I were talking about all this, and he said that he would pay cash for everything. But he doesn’t want anyone to know about us. Would he have to put his name on anything, any papers or forms or anything?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Okay. Would you guys do a pregnancy test beforehand just to make sure that I was pregnant?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: Okay. Because I haven’t done one yet.

CLINIC: What you need to do is call and talk to the attorney and see about getting the judicial bypass and call me back. If we can help you, we’ll schedule you for your appointment. Okay?

CALLER: Well, could I come in for a pregnancy test beforehand just to make sure?

CLINIC: You can come anytime between — you can come tomorrow, Thursday between 9:30 and 4. We’ll have someone here to do that for you.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: Your period was January 15th, you said?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: It’s a free test.

CALLER: Okay. Well, if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control from you guys?

CLINIC: You’d have to make an appointment to get a yearly check-up and pap smear. There’s a $50 fee. And then we would prescribe the birth control pill for you.

CALLER: But would you have to tell anybody if I was on birth control though?

CLINIC: Nope.

CALLER: All right. It’s just really important to me and my boyfriend that nobody knows. So you’re sure no one would have to know?

CLINIC: Our clinic is completely confidential. We’re not allowed to give out any information.

CALLER: All right. Well, let me talk to the lawyer people and then call you back.

CLINIC: Okay, honey.

CALLER: Okay. Thanks.

***END***

#838 – Austin Women’s Health Center in Austin, TX

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AUSTIN WOMEN’S HEALTH CENTER
1902 S. I.H. 35
AUSTIN, TX 78704
512-443-2888

TAPE – 838

(Dialing, phone did not ring)

CLINIC: (Unclear) Women’s Health Center. This is Veronica. How may I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, ma’am.

CALLER: Do you know how much it cost for that?

CLINIC: Do you know where you’re at in the pregnancy?

CALLER: No. How do you know?

CLINIC: Do you know the first day of your last period?

CALLER: January 15th.

CLINIC: January 15th is the first day of your last period?

CALLER: I didn’t hear what you said.

CLINIC: January 15th was the first day of your last period?

CALLER: Yes.

CLINIC: Okay. I could estimate that you are around seven to eight weeks.

CALLER: What?

CLINIC: I can estimate that you could be seven to eight weeks pregnant. If you’re under 12 weeks in your pregnancy, the cost would be 425.

CALLER: 425?

CLINIC: Yes, ma’am. Also, if you have a negative blood type, it’s going to be an extra $50 because we have to give you a medication called Rhogam.

CALLER: I’m just kind of worried. My boyfriend said that he would pay cash for everything. But I’m just worried because I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22, and he said he would take care of it all. Would that be okay, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: How old are you?

CALLER: I’m going to be 14 on the 19th.

CLINIC: And you don’t want to tell your parents?

CALLER: I can’t tell my parents.

CLINIC: And your boyfriend’s how old?

CALLER: Twenty-two.

CLINIC: Well, there are a few options if you don’t want to tell your parents. You can get a judicial bypass.

CALLER: What is that?

CLINIC: Hold on just a moment.

(Pause)

RECORDING: — calling. We apologize for placing you on hold. We know that your time is valuable and hope to be with you shortly.

(Pause)

CLINIC: Thank you for holding. This is Amy. How can I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Are you who I was talking to before?

CLINIC: No. Was somebody already helping you?

CALLER: Yeah, I was talking to Veronica.

CLINIC: Okay. I’m sorry. Hold on one moment.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Thanks for holding. This is Kit (sp). Veronica tells me that you are wanting to know about judicial bypass. Is that right?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Yeah. Okay. What I can tell you is — do you have any questions about the actual law in Texas? Do you understand about that a little bit?

CALLER: I just don’t want to tell my parents.

CLINIC: Okay. That’s fine. You don’t need to. The law does protect you from needing to tell your parents. What is required by the state of Texas is that your parents are informed; they don’t need to give consent. And if you want to bypass that, the state is required to give you a free lawyer who represents you at a local court.

Do you live in Travis County or do you live in a different county?

CALLER: I live in Austin.

CLINIC: You live in Austin. Okay. So you live in Travis County. There’s an organization called Jane’s Due Process. Have you heard about them?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: What they do is they specifically are set up to help young women like you to find the representation that you deserve and need. Okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: So you don’t need to pay anything. And it happens pretty fast. I’m going to give you their number, and they’ll set you up with what is called a — you don’t need to write it down or anything, but just so when you hear this name, and you’re like, oh, yeah, Kit told me about that at the clinic. It’s called a “guardian litem.” And it’s like a fancy Latin word, for basically meaning someone who represents you in court. And when you go to court it’s a really brief visit. But the guardian litem is going to be there to sort of walk you through it and kind of hold your hand. Okay?

CALLER: Well, would the judge say that it’s okay then?

CLINIC: Uh-huh, yeah. You just have to answer some questions and have an appointment set up with us and stuff like that. Sometimes they’ll recommend that you had come in and visit with us first before you go meet with a judge so that you understand about the procedure and everything. So we can set up an appointment for you for what we can a pre-operative visit, where you get your ultra sound and your lab work and your counseling. And then you’ll be all informed and know what to expect and everything. And then in the next day, you would go and meet with your guardian litem, and then you get some paperwork done. And then you come back to us like the following day. So it all happens within a 24 to 48-hour period.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Are you in high school or are you out of school?

CALLER: I’m homeschooled.

CLINIC: Okay. And how old are you?

CALLER: I’m going to be 14 on the 19th.

CLINIC: Okay. What I can do —

CALLER: My boyfriend and me were talking about all this. And he said he would pay cash for everything. But we don’t want anyone to know about us. Would he have to sign anything or fill out any forms if he was paying for it all?

CLINIC: No, uh-uh. No. If you’re paying cash, we just give you a receipt for yourself. But there would be no way — no one would ever be able to find out that you were there is simply what I’m telling you.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Yeah. We don’t give that information out to any other people or company, and no one like your parents or anybody would be able to find out that you had come here.

CALLER: Well, I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would you guys do that beforehand just to make sure I am pregnant?

CLINIC: Yeah. I would recommend that. Are you feeling like you’re pregnant? Do you know —

CALLER: Well, I just haven’t had my period since January 15th, and we’re just both really scared.

CLINIC: Yeah. Okay. Well, what I can tell you is that we offer free pregnancy tests here. So if you want to come in and get a pregnancy test, you can do that for free.

CALLER: Well, how late are you guys there, like tomorrow?

CLINIC: Tomorrow you could come in any time until probably about 5:00 for a pregnancy test. I’m going to give you Jane’s Due Process’ information, so you can call them.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Have you taken a pregnancy — do you have access to getting to the pharmacy and getting a pregnancy test?

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend could — yeah.

CLINIC: Do that for you? Okay.

CALLER: But are those usually right though?

CLINIC: Yeah, they’re usually really right. Usually if it’s going to come back positive, like on an EPT test, it’s going to be correct.

CALLER: Well, if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control from you guys?

CLINIC: Yeah, definitely. Uh-huh. We’ll set up an appointment for an annual exam. Have you had a pap smear, an annual exam?

CALLER: No. How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: It’s between 75 and $125.

CALLER: But would anybody have to know if I was on birth control though?

CLINIC: Nope. Nobody would have to know.

I’m going to give you their 866 number.

CALLER: Just so that I understand, you’re sure no one would have to know about any of this?

CLINIC: Nobody has to know about any of this.

CALLER: They wouldn’t have to know about me and my boyfriend either?

CLINIC: No, they don’t need to know about you and your boyfriend.

CALLER: Okay. Well, what was the number?

CLINIC: Yeah. It’s 1-866-999-5263.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: And you call them, and they can start getting you in the process. And I would recommend — you could set up an appointment with me, if you’d like — with us — to have your pre-operative visit with us. In that visit, the first thing we’ll do is do a pregnancy test.

CALLER: Okay. Well, let me call my boyfriend to see what time is good for him, and then call you back. Is that all right?

CLINIC: Okay. Let me tell you the fees to let him know that the cost of a pre-operative visit with us is $180. The cost of the abortion is $425 if you’re under 12 weeks of pregnancy. The 180 is subtracted from the 425. So when you come back, it’s like 245.

CALLER: Oh, all right.

CLINIC: Just so you have that, so you can tell him about that. Then you can give us a call back when you’re ready.

CALLER: Okay. Thank you.

CLINIC: You’re welcome.

CALLER: Bye.

CLINIC: Bye.

***END***

#791 – Fairmount Center in Dallas, TX

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FAIRMOUNT CENTER
2921 FAIRMONT ST.
DALLAS, TX 75201
214-742-9310

TAPE – 791

(Dialing, phone ringing 7x)

CLINIC: Fairmont Center.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: Do you know how much it cost for that?

CLINIC: How far into the pregnancy?

CALLER: I’m not really sure. How would you know?

CLINIC: Do you know when you had your last period?

CALLER: January 3rd.

CLINIC: It’s $395.

CALLER: I’m just kind of worried. I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is that old enough to take care of it?

CLINIC: There’s a law in Texas that says you have to have a parent that knows about it.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: Yeah.

CALLER: Well, is there any way not to have to tell my parents?

CLINIC: No. That’s the law in Texas.

CALLER: But I can’t tell my parents at all.

CLINIC: Hold on, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Are you there?

CALLER: I’m here.

CLINIC: Why is it that you’re not wanting to tell your parents?

CALLER: Well, I can’t tell my parents because — they know my boyfriend and everything. He works with my dad, but they don’t like him. They know we’re going out; they just don’t know we’re having sex. But if they found out that we were having sex, I don’t know what they would do. They can’t find out at all. I mean, they’d be furious.

CLINIC: Okay. Well, there is a Web site that you can log on to, and it will tell you how to go in front of a judge if you don’t think you can tell your parents. You’re probably going to have to tell your parents.

CALLER: What’s the Web site.

CLINIC: The Web site is Janes, janesdp, like Dr. Pepper, .com — or .org.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: What do I do? What is that for?

CLINIC: That’s to get a judicial bypass. And that means you go in front of the judge and tell them why you can’t tell you parent. And very rarely they say okay you can do it without telling a parent. But they give you the legal documents to be able to do that. But if you go on there and say I can’t tell my parents because they’d get mad, they’re going to say so what; they’re going to have to get mad. They’re only going to give you a judicial bypass if you have some really, really good reason why you can’t tell your parent.

CALLER: Oh, okay. So they usually say no though?

CLINIC: Yeah.

CALLER: Oh, all right. I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would you guys be able to do that there just to make sure?

CLINIC: Yeah. Where do you live?

CALLER: I live in Roanoke.

CLINIC: Where’s that?

CALLER: It’s by Lewisville kind of sort of.

CLINIC: Lewisville has a Planned Parenthood. That’s going to be closer for you to go take a pregnancy test there, or you can just buy one at the drug store.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Well, if it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, would I be able to come in there to get birth control?

CLINIC: No, Planned Parenthood. Let me give you the Planned Parenthood phone number for Lewisville. Hold on.

CALLER: Okay.

(Pause)

CLINIC: It’s 972-221-7644.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Will they have to tell anybody if I went there?

CLINIC: I don’t think they have to tell anyone for birth control, but anywhere you want to get an abortion is going to have to tell your parents. That’s the law in Texas. That’s not just our clinic. That’s every clinic in Texas.

CALLER: If I had any other questions, could I call and talk to you? What was your name?

CLINIC: My name’s Lisa. Just ask for Lisa T.

CALLER: Lisa T?

CLINIC: Uh-huh. What was your name?

CALLER: It’s Lisa too.

CLINIC: It’s Lisa also?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Well, that’s easy to remember. Okay.

CALLER: All right. Thanks.

CLINIC: Bye bye.

***END***

#792 – Reproductive Services Of Austin in Austin, TX

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REPRODUCTIVE SERVICES OF AUSTIN
4804 GROVER RD.
AUSTIN, TX 78756
512-458-8274

TAPE – 792

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Reproductive Services. Can you hold please?

CALLER: Well, do you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: Yeah, we do.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay. Hold on.

(Short pause)

CLINIC: — holding. How can I help you?

CALLER: Yeah. I was wanting to see how much it cost to get an abortion.

CLINIC: Okay. For a first trimester abortion it is $425.

CALLER: How do you know if you’re —

CLINIC: That is through the 13th week of the pregnancy. So 13 weeks from the first day of your last period.

CALLER: Oh. Well, that was January 3rd.

CLINIC: Okay. Well then, that is within the first trimester. It’s $425. There are some additional costs for medications that are required after the procedure as well as optional medications that you may choose to take during the procedure.

CALLER: Okay. My main concern is I’m worried. I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Actually, there’s a couple things — yeah. Because you are under 14 years old, we would have to notify your parents before the procedure. There’s a couple ways we can do that. Now, if you do not want your parents notified, you can go through a process called judicial bypass.

CALLER: How does that work?

CLINIC: Why don’t you hold on one second, and I’m going to have you speak to either Dorothy or Sarah. And they’re the people here that work with women who are under 18 years old.

CALLER: What was your name?

CLINIC: My name is Linda. And I’ll have Dorothy or Sarah be with you in just one moment, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Thank you.

CLINIC: Hi. This is Dorothy.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering about getting a judicial bypass. I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. Because he’s not a legal guardian of yours, he actually can’t have any say as far as with the procedure. But you don’t plan on telling your parents?

CALLER: Right. They can’t find out at all.

CLINIC: Okay. What you think will kind of go on if they do?

CALLER: I don’t know. They’d be furious. I mean, they know my boyfriend and they know we’re going out. He works with my dad, but they don’t like him because they think he’s too old for me. But they know him, and they know we’re going out. But they don’t know we’re having sex. I mean, if they knew about that, I don’t know what they would do. I mean, they’d be furious. They can’t find out at all.

CLINIC: Okay. Well, we can go through the judicial bypass. And that’s basically where you go to see a judge.

CALLER: I’ve never seen a judge before.

CLINIC: Yeah. I know. And it’s kind of scary too for girls who’ve never had to go through that. Do you live in Austin?

CALLER: I live in Round Rock.

CLINIC: In Round Rock? Okay. Well, most likely you’ll come to court here, and your attorney will help you do everything. And most of the girls that we see in Travis County, which is in the Austin area, haven’t been turned down.

CALLER: How much does it cost for an attorney?

CLINIC: It’s not going to be any cost to you.

CALLER: Oh, okay,

CLINIC: Yeah, whatsoever. All we need you to do is — do you have like a way that you can get around and stuff like that?

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend drives me.

CLINIC: If you guys come visit our clinic at a time that’s good for you, I can give you all the papers that you would need to come see the judge along with the list of attorneys and get you set up for all that if that’s what you want to do.

CALLER: Are you guys open tomorrow?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: What time?

CLINIC: We can either see about going that route with the judicial bypass or you can provide me with a phone number or address to contact your parents by phone or by certified letter. So however you want to do it.

CALLER: Well, I can’t talk to them. I don’t want you to contact them.

CLINIC: Right, right. Do you want to do the judicial bypass?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: What time do you think you can come in tomorrow?

CALLER: When are you guys open?

CLINIC: I’ll be here from about 9 ’til probably 4:30.

CALLER: Okay. Will you be there during lunch ?

CLINIC: Oh, of course.

CALLER: Okay. So I could come like on my boyfriend’s lunch break or whatever?

CLINIC: Yeah, you could do that. Are you in school or anything?

CALLER: Well, I’m homeschooled.

CLINIC: You’re homeschooled? Okay. What’s your first name?

CALLER: Lisa.

CLINIC: Lisa?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: What’s your last name, Lisa?

CALLER: Carter.

CLINIC: So when you come in what we’re going to do is I’m going to give you what we call a minor packet. That’s where it lists — we’re going to kind of sit down and talk about it, so you might be here for about 15 minutes, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: We’re going to kind of sit down and talk about what’s in the papers, what the judge might talk to you about, and have you watch a short film. Nothing scary or graphic that would freak you out whatsoever; it’s just an informative film, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: But as far as going through with the abortion procedure, that’s definitely what you want to do?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Yeah?

CALLER: Me and my boyfriend, that’s all we talk about now. But he’s a great guy, and we’re going to be married soon. But he has to finish school and stuff. So we just can’t have a kid until after that. So that’s we were wanting to get an abortion, because we can’t have a kid right now.

CLINIC: And when did you say you were turning 19th?

CALLER: On the 19th.

CLINIC: On the 19th of this month?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Do you know about how far along you are?

CALLER: Well, not really. My last period was January 3rd.

CLINIC: Okay. Well, when you come in, we can also do a sonogram, okay? And the cost for the sonogram is going to be $25. When you come back to us for the actual procedure, we’ll deduct the cost from the procedure. So we can do all of that tomorrow when you come in.

CALLER: Well, if my boyfriend was paying for all this — like he said he would pay cash for everything, it’s just we don’t want anyone to know about us — would he have to sign anything or have his name on any of the forms?

CLINIC: No. He would not have to sign or have his name on any of the forms whatsoever. I’m going to have you hold just one moment so I can get some information from you, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

(Very short pause)

CLINIC: Okay, Lisa. Now one thing that we do need to look at– in the state of Texas, if you are 13 years old and you are pregnant, that has to be reported.

CALLER: What do you mean?

CLINIC: It has to be reported to Child Protective Services.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Well, what could happen?

CLINIC: But if you come in — because you’re about to be 14, so that law will change. But when you come in, we will also have to make a report because your partner is over three years older than you.

CALLER: Well, I can’t do that. What would happen?

CLINIC: But the thing is, you’re not required to give us any information, okay? You don’t have to tell me his name. You don’t have to tell me where he lives, a phone number. I don’t have to know anything. Then it won’t be on anything.

CALLER: So you’re sure that I don’t have to tell you that?

CLINIC: I can ask you a hundred times, and you can not tell me a hundred times. But by law we do have to find that out.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay. But you don’t have to tell me, so don’t worry about that. I’m just trying to let you know the law, okay? And we do this all the time. We just try to explain it to you so that you understand, but you don’t have to tell us anything, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: So all we’re going to do tomorrow is have you come in — and it’s fine if he comes with you. I mean, we’re not going to ask him anything. We’ll let you sit with him. Don’t worry about it. He can go through the ultra sound with you if you want him to. But we’re not going to ask him for i.d. or anything else, okay?

Tomorrow what we’ll do is we’ll have you come in. You’ll pay the $25 to have your ultra sound done because you’ll need it to take to court with you. And then I’ll give you all the papers and numbers for some attorneys that you can call, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: You said your last menstrual period was when?

CALLER: January 3rd. But the attorneys wouldn’t say anything about my boyfriend either?

CLINIC: They shouldn’t. Again, you’re a minor, so you don’t have to give any information to the law. Because being a minor, you’re considered kind of like a Jane Doe. Nobody can know your name or any of that type of stuff. I mean, your attorney will and we will here at the clinic, but when it comes to the judge and everything else — at this point, any information about your boyfriend I would just leave alone.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: As far as letting people know his age and things like that. He’s just your boyfriend, and then leave it at that. Okay?

CALLER: Okay. Well, do you think it’s possible that I’m not pregnant though? I mean, I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet.

CLINIC: Well, we can do that here.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Yeah.

CALLER: How long does it take for that?

CLINIC: If you want to do it as soon as you walk in, we can do it — it will take like five minutes for us to run. It won’t be long at all.

CALLER: And I would know right away?

CLINIC: Uh-huh. We would tell you right then. And if we do get a positive, we’ll go ahead and continue with the sonogram and all the paperwork. If we get a negative, then we’ll just stop everything right there.

CALLER: Well, could I get birth control if I wasn’t pregnant?

CLINIC: You wouldn’t be able to get it that day, but we could go over it with you and make an appointment for you if that’s what you wanted to do. We can definitely leave you with some condoms at least to get started on though.

CALLER: How much does it cost for birth control after I make an appointment or whatever?

CLINIC: Well, we have to do your pap smear. So in order for us to do your pap smear, if you’ve never been here before, it’s going to be $96.

CALLER: Well, it’s just me and my boyfriend don’t want to have to go through all this again.

CLINIC: Exactly. That’s definitely understandable. But, yeah. Once you get here, I’ll give you all this information, and we can kind of figure it out from there, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: What year were you born in?

CALLER: 1988. Let me call my boyfriend real quick, and I’ll call you back. Is that all right?

CLINIC: Yeah, that’s no problem. But even if you don’t get a chance to come back, I’m going to see you — what time would be best for you to come in tomorrow?

CALLER: Probably first thing. But I have to call my boyfriend to make sure it’s okay with him because he’s the one that would take me.

CLINIC: Okay. Then just call me back. And, Lisa, again, my name is Dorothy, okay?

CALLER: But could I go like at lunch time you think maybe?

CLINIC: Yeah, that should be fine. Okay?

CALLER: All right. Let me talk to him. All right.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: Okay. Thanks.

CLINIC: Uh-huh. Bye.

CALLER: Bye.

***END***

#793 – Austin Ob-gyn in Austin, TX

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AUSTIN OB-GYN
9805 ANDERSON MILL RD.
AUSTIN, TX 78750
512-250-1005

TAPE – 793

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: (Unclear).

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: For 12 weeks or less it’s $410.

CALLER: I can barely hear you. What did you say?

CLINIC: For 12 weeks or less it’s 410.

CALLER: How do you know how many weeks you are?

CLINIC: You have to count from the first day of your last period.

CALLER: Okay. Well, that was January 3rd.

CLINIC: Okay. How that puts you at nine weeks.

CALLER: The thing is I’m kind of worried. I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. At this office one parent has to come with you.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: That’s Texas law. If you’re less than 18, one parent has to be notified.

CALLER: Oh. Well, I can’t tell my parents. I mean, they can’t find out at all. Is there anything I can do that they won’t have to find out?

CLINIC: Well, maybe if you call one of the other abortions clinics. At this office we do not accept the judicial bypass. You have to have a parent with you. But if you call one of the other clinics maybe they can help you.

CALLER: Well, I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would I be able to come to you guys to get one of those?

CLINIC: No. We don’t do pregnancy tests. You can do home tests or you can go to Planned Parenthood or one of the other abortion clinics and see if they can offer pregnancy tests.

CALLER: All right. Okay. Thank you.

CLINIC: Um-hmm.

CALLER: Bye.

***END***

#794 – Houston Women’s Clinic in Houston, TX

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HOUSTON WOMEN’S CLINIC
4820 SAN JACINTO
HOUSTON, TX 77004
713-868-4483

TAPE – 794

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Houston Women’s Clinic. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: Do you know how much it cost?

CLINIC: I surely do. Do you know when the first day of your last period was?

CALLER: January 3rd.

CLINIC: Okay. Then you should be under 11 weeks, and the fee is $325. And that covers everything, all the medications before and after, the ultra sound, follow-up visit, and a few months supply of birth control pills if they’re indicated for you.

CALLER: The thing is, I’m going to be 14 later on this month —

CLINIC: Oh, my goodness.

CALLER: — and my friend told me you have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Could he just sign whatever it is, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No, no, no. Legally by law we would be in deep trouble.

CALLER: What do you mean?

CLINIC: Well, if we didn’t have you have parental consent. You’re only 14.

CALLER: Well, I’ll be 14 on the 19th.

CLINIC: So you’re only 13.

CALLER: Yeah. But I can’t tell my parents at all. I mean, they can’t find out.

CLINIC: Well, you can go before the judge. Hold on a minute. Someone more knowledgeable than I can help you. Okay? Hold on.

CALLER: Okay.

(Short pause)

CLINIC: I don’t even think you could go down in front of the judge and appeal your case because they would have your boyfriend for statutory rape.

CALLER: What? What’s that? I mean, he’s not raping me. I mean, we’re in love. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: No, I know. But you’re under age, and he’s 22.

CALLER: Well, what could happen?

CLINIC: Well, I don’t know. So you better check — do you have any availability of an attorney or anything?

CALLER: I don’t know.

CLINIC: Called Planned Parenthood and see what they do for you, okay?

CALLER: Planned Parenthood?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: Well, do you have the number for them?

CLINIC: Pardon?

CALLER: Do you have the number for them?

CLINIC: 713-535-2400.

CALLER: Okay. Well, I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would I be able to come in there for that?

CLINIC: You can come in for a pregnancy test, sure.

CALLER: But would you have to tell anybody I was there for that?

CLINIC: Oh, no, no.

CALLER: Oh, okay. How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: The pregnancy test would be free. Do you want to come in for that?

CALLER: Well, yeah. But my boyfriend would have to bring me. Would you have to tell on him if he was there?

CLINIC: Well, I’m not going to tell anybody anything. Oh, okay. But I mean, why wouldn’t you want to tell your boyfriend?

CALLER: Well, he knows. I mean, would you have to tell on him if he was there? Like he’s the only way I’d be able to get there. Would it be all right if he was there with me?

CLINIC: Oh, sure. You can come alone or with him.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: But you have to make an appointment.

CALLER: But you said he would get arrested.

CLINIC: Oh, no, no. That would be if you — hold on a minute.

CLINIC: Honey?

CALLER: Yeah?

CLINIC: I wouldn’t bring the boyfriend, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: If you want to have a test, just have someone else bring you for a test. When would you want to come?

CALLER: When are you guys open?

CLINIC: It’s by appointment. And we could see you tomorrow afternoon for a test.

CALLER: Okay. Well, I’d have to think about it. But I have to call you back. What was your name?

CLINIC: Okay. I’m Betty.

CALLER: Okay. If it ended up that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control there?

CLINIC: No, we don’t give birth control to anybody except patients because we don’t any of their history and pap smear and all that.

CALLER: Where could I get birth control?

CLINIC: But you can go to a teen clinic.

CALLER: Oh, okay. But would they have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Well, if you want to have counseling on it. You’re 13. I don’t think so, no.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay, honey.

CALLER: Thank you. Bye.

CLINIC: Bye bye.

***END***

#795 – Reproductive Services Of Harlingen in Harlingen, TX

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REPRODUCTIVE SERVICES OF HARLINGEN
613 W. SESAME DR.
HARLINGEN, TX 78550
956-428-6253

TAPE – 795

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Thanks for calling Adoption (unclear). This is Susan.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: For what city, ma’am?

CALLER: For Raymondville.

CLINIC: Would you be going to Austin, El Paso, Arlington or San Antonio?

CALLER: The one in Arlington.

CLINIC: Okay. I can give you the clinic number.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: It’s 956-428-6242.

CALLER: Okay. And who is this here?

CLINIC: This is the central office. We’re located in San Antonio.

CALLER: Oh, all right.

CLINIC: You need the 800 number for the clinic?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: All right. Okay. Thank you.

CLINIC: Bye bye.

(Dialing, phone ringing 5x)

CLINIC: Reproductive Services. This is Laura.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Um-hmm.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: It depends on how far along you are.

CALLER: Well, how do you know how far along you are?

CLINIC: Do you know when your last period was?

CALLER: January 3rd.

CLINIC: Okay. According to your last period you’re about nine weeks. So the price for everything — your medication, the procedure, and if you want the anesthesia, is $377.

CALLER: Okay. The thing is, I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No. You’d have to — the only other way that you can do it is if you go to the court and get a judicial bypass.

CALLER: Okay. What is that?

CLINIC: Where are you from?

CALLER: I’m from Raymondville.

CLINIC: Are you Wallacy County?

CALLER: I’m not really sure. We just moved here.

CLINIC: Then you would need to go to — I wouldn’t even know what courthouse that is. Do you know where we at?

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend does.

CLINIC: Okay. What you can do is you can come here to our clinic and just pick up a packet. And you go ahead and ask them here. I don’t know which court you would need to go to, but that way you can already have the packet with you. Pick up the packet here, and then ask them what court you would need to call. You just set up an appointment or you can just show up with our papers already. And tell them that you need to set up an appointment with a judge to get a judicial bypass because you don’t want your parents to find out for whatever reason. And they’ll let you speak with a judge. And basically he’s going to ask you if you know your options. Tell him yes; that you can continue with it, have an abortion, or give it up for adoption; that you’re just not ready to have a child yet, so you prefer to have the procedure done here with us. And he’ll say whether he’ll let you — he’ll say yes or no. And if he tells you know, I’m not going to allow this, then you just set up another point to take you to another judge, and that judge usually always says yes.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: But most of the time the judge will tell you yes the first time as long as you do know what you’re talking about and that he sees that you’re adult enough to make the decision, and nobody has to know anything. And you don’t pay anything.

CALLER: So it doesn’t cost anything for all that?

CLINIC: Right.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Like I said, just have your boyfriend bring you in here to get the packet and ask them here what courthouse you need to go to. And then just go ahead and go over there. But I think you have to be there before a certain time. I think it’s before 4 or something like that.

CALLER: Okay. Would you guys do a pregnancy test while I was there just to make sure?

CLINIC: Yeah. If you —

CALLER: Because I haven’t had one yet.

CLINIC: Uh-huh. Go ahead and let them know that since you’re here you want to go ahead and have a pregnancy test to make sure.

CALLER: Well, me and my boyfriend were talking about all this, and we don’t want anybody to know. But he said he was going to pay cash for everything. Would he have to sign his name on any forms or anything?

CLINIC: No, not at all. If you put him down — if you put him down here like as an emergency, nobody calls him or nobody anything. How can I say? Your chart doesn’t get into anybody’s hands. The only thing is, since he is already 22 and you’re only 14, by law we have to report him to the police.

CALLER: Why?

CLINIC: I’m going to go ahead and tell you that before you come in. So you don’t even have to mention anything as far as here. You know what I’m saying?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: If you just go ahead and say that he’s 16 or whatever, because they will ask you. And we’ll take your word for it. We don’t go see who he is; you know what I’m saying?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: If you say he’s 16, then he’s 16 and that’s it. But by law we have to ask because that’s statutory rape, so we have to report it.

CALLER: But he’s not raping me. We’re in love. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: Oh, no, I know. But by law, if he’s three years older than you and you’re a minor, that’s what it is and we have to report it. So just to let you know when you come in, because I don’t want you — if they ask you anything, just go ahead and say (unclear).

CALLER: So if I don’t tell you, it would be okay then?

CLINIC: Oh, yeah. A lot of them come in and they say, oh, no, he’s only this or he’s only that because of that.

CALLER: After the pregnancy test that I got, if it said that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control from you guys?

CLINIC: You would need to come in first for a pap smear, set up an appointment for a pap smear, and then we can prescribe you the birth control.

CALLER: How much does it cost for the —

CLINIC: For the pap it’s $50.

CALLER: And you wouldn’t have to tell anybody if I was on birth control?

CLINIC: No, not at all. We don’t give any information to anyone at all, not even if your parents call or even if your boyfriend calls. We can’t give any information to anybody except for you.

CALLER: Oh, all right. Okay.

CLINIC: Okay? But don’t worry about anything. Just come in, pick up the packet, take the pregnancy test, and remember, he’s 16 and that’s it, 16.

CALLER: Okay. And you’re sure the judge will say yes?

CLINIC: Oh, yeah. Everybody who’s come in with it, he has said except only one time that he said no, because they supposedly have to say no every once in a while. And so she went back to another one, and he said yes. But it only takes a few minutes.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: All right. Thank you.

CLINIC: Bye bye.

CALLER: Bye.

***END***

#790 – Aaron’s Women’s Health Center in Dallas, TX

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AARON’S WOMEN’S HEALTH CENTER
6546 L.B.J. FWY # 200
DALLAS, TX 75240
972-385-1333

TAPE – 790

(Dialing, phone ringing 2x)

CLINIC: (Unclear) Women’s Health Center. This is Sandra. How may I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: How man weeks pregnant are you?

CALLER: I’m not sure. How do you know?

CLINIC: When was your last period?

CALLER: January 3rd.

CLINIC: Was that the first day of your period or the last day?

CALLER: The first day.

CLINIC: So right now you’re looking at being 10 weeks pregnant. That’s $315 up until the 11th week.

CALLER: The thing is, I’m going to be 14 right around this month, and my friend said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it?

CLINIC: Is your boyfriend doing the abortion?

CALLER: What?

CLINIC: Is your boyfriend doing the abortion?

CALLER: I don’t know. What do you mean?

CLINIC: How old are you?

CALLER: I’m going to be 14 on the 19th.

CLINIC: And your boyfriend is how old?

CALLER: Twenty-two.

CLINIC: Oh boy. No, you would need your parents. And, technically, that’s considered statutory rape.

CALLER: What?

CLINIC: That’s considered statutory rape.

CALLER: He’s not raping me. I mean, we’re in love. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: Well then, I would suggest you talk to your parents about having the termination if you’re going to get married.

CALLER: I mean, we’re not going to get married like soon. He has to finish going to school.

CLINIC: Okay. Sweetheart, we would not be able to help you. The only way that we would be able to help you is if you went to a judge and got a judicial bypass. And you’re going to have to justify to the judge why you want to do the termination, and see if he thinks that you’re fully in control of all your capacities.

CALLER: How much does that cost?

CLINIC: That’s free.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Do I need like a lawyer or anything?

CLINIC: Do you need like a what?

CALLER: A lawyer.

CLINIC: Yes. They will provide a lawyer for you free.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, does the judge ever say no?

CLINIC: If he sees that you can’t provide adequate proof, he does.

CALLER: Well, if he says yes, then I could come in there, and you wouldn’t have to have my parents there?

CLINIC: Correct.

CALLER: Okay. The thing is, my boyfriend and I were talking about all this, and we don’t want to anyone to know. But he said he’s going to pay for everything with cash. So would he have to sign anything or fill out any forms if he was —

CLINIC: Your boyfriend is not having the termination; you are.

CALLER: But he said he was going to pay for everything.

CLINIC: Yeah. But the only person that we would need to sign papers or to have anything would be you.

CALLER: Okay. So nobody would find out about him?

CLINIC: We don’t even want to know about him, because technically we would have to report him to the cops.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Just like I said, that’s statutory rape. And statutory rape means that in the legal books, in the penal code, it says that if you are having sex with a person who is two years younger than you, then that’s considered rape.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: And he should know better too. He’s 22 years old. You’re only 14.

CALLER: But we’re in love. But if the judge says it’s all right, you wouldn’t have to say anything to anybody?

CLINIC: I would not be able to tell you what the judge would say. You would have to —

CALLER: But if he does say it’s okay.

CLINIC: I don’t know, sweetheart. You would have to talk to the judge. I don’t know what their criteria.

CALLER: Okay. But after I talk to the judge, and he said it was all right, I could come in there, and you guys wouldn’t have to say anything about anything?

CLINIC: Correct.

CALLER: Okay. I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would I be able to come in there and get that just to make sure I am pregnant?

CLINIC: I would do that first. Bring a sample of your urine in a sealed container, in a jar with a lid. Drop it off and fill out some forms. And then you can find out if you’re pregnant or not.

CALLER: Okay. Well, how soon would I be able to find out?

CLINIC: Monday through Friday we take the pregnancy tests from 9 to 5.

CALLER: Okay. Well, how long does it take to find out?

CLINIC: And hour-and-a-half.

CALLER: Okay. If it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control from you guys?

CLINIC: No, ma’am. We would not be able to help you. The only people that we provide services for are people who have done pregnancy terminations with us. After that we do gynecological services.

CALLER: Well, do you know where I could go to get birth control?

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood would be your best bet.

CALLER: Oh, okay. But would they have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: I don’t think so.

CALLER: If I had any other questions, could I call and talk to you? What was your name?

CLINIC: My name is Sandra.

CALLER: Okay. How would I get a hold of the judge?

CLINIC: I can give you the number to speak to the lady that runs the judicial bypass. And her name is Diane. And the number is 1-866-999-5263.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Just call her and see what she let’s you know.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: All right. Thank you.

CLINIC: Um-hmm. Bye bye.

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#787 – West Side Clinic in Fort Worth, TX

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WEST SIDE CLINIC
2011 LAS VEGAS TRAIL
FORT WORTH, TX 76108
817-246-2446

TAPE – 787

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Westside Clinic. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling to see if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: It depends how far along you are?

CALLER: How do you know? I’m not sure.

CLINIC: Do you know the first day of your last period?

CALLER: January 3rd.

CLINIC: January 3rd?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. You would probably be about almost 10 weeks.

CALLER: Okay. So how much would it be then?

CLINIC: Hold on, okay?

(Pause)

CLINIC: Your period was when did you say?

CALLER: January 3rd.

CLINIC: January the 3rd. So that would be between 9 and 10 weeks. That would be $300. Up to 11 weeks will be $300. And it’s payable in cash or major credit card. And appointments are Tuesday through Saturday, and all appointments are in the morning. And all you have to do is call one day ahead of time to set up an appointment.

CALLER: The thing is — my main worry is I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend told me that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No, uh-uh. No. If you’re under age, you have to have a parent.

CALLER: Well, is there any way not to tell my parents?

CLINIC: Hold on, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

(Short pause)

CLINIC: Can I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Who is this?

CLINIC: This is Westside Clinic.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, I was talking to someone different.

CLINIC: Huh?

CALLER: I was wondering if I could get an abortion. I’m going to be 14 later on this month, and my friend said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Is he old enough to take care of it, and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No, no. We would have to have a parent — do you live here in Fort Worth?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: And you’re 13?

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: And you’re boyfriend’s 22.

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. How far along are you? Do you know?

CALLER: The other lady said I was like 9 to 10 weeks.

CLINIC: Okay. What you’re going to have to do is come up here probably either tomorrow or Saturday. There’s a form that you’re going to have to fill out. And basically what it is, is you’re going to give me your name. And you’re going to have to send a certified letter to a parent.

CALLER: But I can’t tell my parents.

CLINIC: But if you just come here, what we need is an address to send a certified letter to. Even if the letter comes back to us, and it doesn’t get to the person it’s suppose to get to, once we wait 48 hours from when the letter went out, you can come in here and get a procedure.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Does that make sense?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. All you have to do is come up here and give me your name on a form, and you just write down the name of the parent, and just put an address that this letter is going to go to. And then we’re going to send that letter out. And if that letter comes back to us, it doesn’t matter — even if it comes back, it’s returned, it doesn’t get to your parents, we have to at least attempt to reach a parent. And after 48 hours if we don’t hear anything from anybody or we get the letter back, we can schedule you for an appointment even though you’re under age.

CALLER: Okay. But you’re sure my parents wouldn’t find out that way?

CLINIC: Well, like I said, we have to at least attempt to reach a parent. And I have a hotline phone number that you can try to call if you want to. And it’s a way to go through the court to bypass — it’s like getting a waiver for parental rights and parental consent. And they can give you some information on what you could do to also get around telling your parents about it.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Do you want that phone number?

CALLER: Yeah, please.

CLINIC: Let me give you that phone number. And if you decide you want to come up here and fill out a form for us to send a letter to an address that you give us, you can still do that too. But you have to do it in person. You have to come up here.

CALLER: But if I go to the court or whatever, I don’t have to fill out the form?

CLINIC: Right. And they’ll tell you what you need to do if you go this way, okay? It’s 1-866-999-5263. So call that number, and they can give you some more information on what you could do if you want to go through the court. Otherwise, if you decide to come up here and fill out that form, you just make sure you do it in the next few days so that we can send the letter Monday, and we can do the procedure next week.

CALLER: Well, the thing is me and my boyfriend were talking about all this, and he said he would pay cash for everything, but we don’t want anyone to know about us. If he was paying for everything, would he have to sign anything or fill out any forms?

CLINIC: No, no. If he’s paying cash, he can just come with you when you come get your procedure, and he can pay the cash.

CALLER: Okay. So nobody has to know about him?

CLINIC: No. Okay? So just try that phone number. And then if you decide to come up here and fill out that form, we can do it that way.

CALLER: Well, I haven’t had a pregnancy test yet. Would you guys do that there?

CLINIC: So you don’t even know if you’re pregnant or not?

CALLER: Well, I just haven’t had my period since like early January.

CLINIC: Do you have any symptoms?

CALLER: I don’t know.

CLINIC: Yeah, we do free tests if you want to come up here and get a test.

CALLER: Well, when do you do them?

CLINIC: Well, we close at 5. If you want to come up here today, just the next time you go to the bathroom, just get a sample of your urine and put it in a container with a lid, bring it up here, and we’ll run it for you.

CALLER: What time are you open tomorrow?

CLINIC: Tomorrow we open at 8:30, and we’ll be closing at 5.

CALLER: If it turned out that I wasn’t pregnant, do you guys do birth control there?

CLINIC: No. We only can give birth control to our patients.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Where would I go to get birth control?

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood could help you there probably.

CALLER: But would they have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: What was your name?

CLINIC: My name’s Dawn.

CALLER: Okay. All right. So I can call you back if I have any questions?

CLINIC: Yeah, you can call back, and come up here for a test if you need to tomorrow. You could do that. And then at that same time you can fill out the form if you don’t go through the court, okay?

CALLER: Okay. Thank you.

CLINIC: Uh-huh. Bye bye.

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