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#316 – Planned Parenthood in White Cloud, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
PO BOX 8305
WHITE CLOUD, MI 49349
231-689-7310

TAPE – 316

(Dialing, phone ringing 2x)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood. This is Deb. How may I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: We do not. We can do pregnancy tests and let people know they’re pregnant and give them information about where they could go. But we don’t provide abortions here.

CALLER: Oh, okay. So if I came in for a pregnancy test do you have to be a specific age for that? I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: Well, you can get a pregnancy test no matter what your age is. But in order to get one in Michigan if you’re a teenager, until you’re 18 you need permission from a parent or a guardian.

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend’s 22. Could he just give you permission?

CLINIC: No, it would have to be a parent or a guardian. That’s just for the abortion part. To get a pregnancy test you don’t need permission. But to terminate, yes. You would have to have permission. You can go through a special procedure where you go to the court and you ask a judge to let you make that decision. And it’s done privately, so your parents don’t even need to know. So there is a way you can get an abortion without their knowledge, but it’s a special procedure you have to go through.

CALLER: How much does that cost?

CLINIC: Abortions —

CALLER: Well, like the —

CLINIC: Oh that? No, that’s free to you. Abortions cost between 350 and 400 depending on how far along you are. How late are you for a period right now?

CALLER: Well, my last period was like December 14th.

CLINIC: If you’re more than 12 weeks pregnant, then the price is higher than that though.

CALLER: Okay. Well, my boyfriend said he would pay for it.

CLINIC: So you’re 13 right now?

CALLER: Yeah. I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: In March?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. So do you want to plan to come in for a test?

CALLER: Yeah, but I need to call him to see when he could take me? He was going to take me. Is that okay?

CLINIC: Yeah, sure, no problem. We are open tomorrow, but we’re not open Friday, Saturday or Sunday. If you came in tomorrow that would be fine, and we could do it —

CALLER: Like tomorrow afternoon?

CLINIC: Sure. If you come before 4:00, then we could go ahead and do the test for you tomorrow.

CALLER: Okay. Well, you guys wouldn’t have to tell anybody about anything?

CLINIC: That depends.

CALLER: What do you mean?

CLINIC: Well, I mean not necessarily about you being pregnant. But when you’re talking to me about you being 13 and him 22, that’s a different issue.

CALLER: Who would you have to tell?

CLINIC: It’s illegal for him to have sex with you because he’s an adult.

CALLER: Why is it illegal? I mean, we’re in love. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: I know. But you’re 13. And so the state says that you can’t make decisions like that when you’re younger than 16. It’s a gray area, and I really can’t tell anything without talking to you directly, person to person kind of thing.

CALLER: Well, would you guys tell if I came in?

CLINIC: It’s a possibility. And I say that very hesitantly because I don’t want you to not come in. I mean, it’s important if you pregnant that you get —

CALLER: Well, I just don’t want to get him in trouble or anything.

CLINIC: I understand that. Do your parents know about your relationship with him?

CALLER: Well, they know him, but they just don’t like him.

CLINIC: Yeah. They don’t know you guys are having sex or anything?

CALLER: No, not at all.

CLINIC: Sure, sure. And I understand that you care a lot about him. The problem is because he’s so much older than you and because in the law’s eyes you’re still considered a child even though you’re agreeing to it. I can’t say that they would prosecute him for that. I’m just saying that it becomes a gray area for us or anywhere you go no matter where you go. If you go for health care anywhere and you tell them, then it’s a possibility that it’s going to raise a lot of red flags for people.

CALLER: Well, how could I get a pregnancy test if he can’t bring me in? I don’t have any way else to get there.

CLINIC: He can bring you in. I mean, that’s not a problem.

CALLER: But would you guys tell on him if he was there?

CLINIC: It doesn’t matter if he’s there or not. If you tell me that you’re having sex with somebody’s who’s 22 and you’re 13, there’s a good possibility we would have to report that.

CALLER: What if I didn’t say anything?

CLINIC: That’s what I’m afraid you’re going to do (laughing), and that’s why I didn’t want to have to tell you that. But I felt like I needed to be honest with you too. It’s important that you get care, and I don’t want to frighten you off from getting care. That’s the primary thing. And like I said, it’s a very gray area. Even though the state says 16, they of course aren’t going to go after a girl who’s 15 if her boyfriend’s 19, that kind of thing. A lot of it has to do with the age difference. So you guys are looking at nine years age difference. He’s an adult person.

CALLER: Well, if I wasn’t pregnant after we do the pregnancy test, do you have birth control there that I could do?

CALLER: We sure do.

CALLER: Would you have to tell anybody that I was on birth control?

CLINIC: No. Teenagers do not need consent, even at 13, to get on birth control. No problem.

CALLER: Oh, okay. So you wouldn’t have to report it to anyone?

CLINIC: Can’t guarantee that.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: And I know that as I say that, there’s a good possibility that you’re not going to show up for your pregnancy test, especially when you talk to him because that could frighten him to, if he thought that he was going to be reported. But when you tell me that you’re 13 and he’s 22, it makes my heart hurt. It makes me sad. And he may be the greatest guy in the world.

CALLER: Yeah. I mean, he’s a sweetheart.

CLINIC: But the reality is he’s 22 and you’re 13, and with a nine-year age difference like that, he is an adult having sex with a child.

CALLER: Well, is there anyplace else that I could go?

CLINIC: Sure. I mean, there’s lots of places. But I’m not alone in that. By law, we are required to report instances where children are being exploited I guess would be the best word. It’s a fancy word, but it basically means that someone may be taking advantage of the situation.

CALLER: But nobody’s taking advantage of me. I mean, we’re in love. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: Well, you can’t get married without permission before you’re 18. And that’s a long way off for you.

CALLER: Oh. I mean, he’s not taking advantage of me.

CLINIC: I understand that. It’s just that legally it’s not seen that way because — because there’s such an age difference, because he’s an adult and you are 13, it’s kind of automatically assumed that he’s taking advantage of you because of that age difference; that he’s using his adult status to kind of take advantage of the situation. So that’s how the court looks at it, how the legal system looks at it. And by law, anywhere you go — no matter whether it’s to your doctor, to your high school counselor, anywhere — if you report that, then that’s a possibility.

CALLER: Should I just not tell anybody?

CLINIC: No, I don’t think so, because I would hate to see you not get health care. It’s a problem. You need to find out whether you’re pregnant. And if you’re not pregnant, you surely need to be on birth control. So it’s kind of like a double-edge thing. And there are no guarantees he would be in trouble. Surely I would imagine they would listen to your side of it.

I mean, that must be something that has crossed his mind. I can’t believe it has not crossed his mind that he could get in trouble for your relationship. Has he never said anything like that before? He’s never asked you to keep your relationship with him quiet or anything like that?

CALLER: Well, I don’t —

CLINIC: I mean, other than from your parents, which makes sense. But he’s never said to you, you can’t tell anybody about us or anything like that?

CALLER: Well, he just doesn’t want anyone to know.

CLINIC: That’s why.

CALLER: But he loves me.

CLINIC: I know he does. I’m sure he cares about you. But he also knows the reality that he could get in trouble for your relationship. And that’s why he’s asking you to keep quiet about it.

CALLER: Is there anything that I could do? I’m just scared. I don’t know what to do.

CLINIC: I know. I know. This is a very difficult time. I just felt like I needed to be up front with you too. I really don’t want to see you run away from getting your health care.

CALLER: Well, I have a cousin that lives in Chicago. Is it different there?

CLINIC: Probably not. I mean, rules from state to state differ somewhat, but basic rules are not going to be different. If at any point your relationship with him comes into the open, there is a possibility that he could get into trouble. And that could be if you tried to get married, if you wanted to just have a baby, if you decided to have an abortion. Any part of that could force that to happen.

Has he told you that he wants you to get birth control or doesn’t want you to get —

CALLER: Yeah, he wants me to. We can’t go through all this again.

CLINIC: And you said December was your last period, huh?

CALLER: Yeah. So we’re like really scared.

CLINIC: Yeah, I don’t blame you. Well, I think you need to have a real serious discussion with him about it. And he’ll probably say, yeah, I’ll know.

CALLER: Well, that’s all we’ve been talking about lately.

CLINIC: I mean about him getting into trouble though. That’s the part I’m talking about, that as we talked, that this is what kind of came out in our conversation. But you need health care too. And that’s very important. And even if you weren’t going to get an abortion and you wanted to just keep this baby yourself, at your age you need health care as soon as you can. So no matter which way you go, you need to be seen fairly quickly.

CALLER: Well, what do you think I should do then?

CLINIC: I’d love you to come in (chuckle). I really want you to come in and get a test.

CALLER: But you would have to tell, right?

CLINIC: I have to say it’s pretty strong that I would, yeah. I feel almost as stuck as you. I can’t positively as stuck as you about this. It would have been very easy for me to lie to you and just tell you, okay, yeah come in, bring him too, one big party. And that wouldn’t have been honest of me to do that. And so I don’t want to do that.

CALLER: Okay. Thank you.

CLINIC: But please, please don’t stay away from health care because of this. Now I know you love him. If he loves you he’s going to want the best for your health. And that’s not going to be hiding. It’s going to be coming forward. And if he loves you and he’s not afraid of that, then he’s going to step up to the plate and take responsibility, one way or the other. He’s going to take responsibility for the relationship, he’s going to take responsibility if you’re pregnant.

CALLER: Well, could he go to jail and not be there ever again?

CLINIC: No, it’s not something you go away for life for or anything like that. I don’t know what kind of trouble he could get into. Because surely, the court system takes into account the fact that he did not force you. It’s not like it was a rape. Legally they use the word “rape.” Sometimes they call it statutory rape because you’re having sex before you’re old enough to consent to it. But they would definitely take that into consideration and just look at the case. I can’t make you any promises one way or the other.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay? But I really would like to have you come in.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: So talk to him. Please come in. I will not be here tomorrow, but there’s another woman, Melissa, who will know about this, the basic information about you needing a pregnancy test here. And she’s a wonderful person to talk to, so you’ll find her very helpful too.

CALLER: Okay. But you won’t tell her about my boyfriend or anything?

CLINIC: I can’t say that.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Give us a call and come in please.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: All righty. Bye bye.

CLINIC: Bye.

***END***

#289 – Planned Parenthood in Detroit, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
39 E ADAMS AVE
DETROIT, MI 48226-1602
313-961-7370

TAPE – 289

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CALLER: Hello. Planned Parenthood. Kim speaking. May I help you?

CALLER: Yeah. Hi. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: No, we don’t.

CALLER: Do you know of anyplace that does?

CLINIC: I can give you the number to Scotsdale.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: The number is 313-538-2020.

CALLER: Okay. Well, can I ask you a quick question?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: My friend told me that since I’ll be 14 in March that you guys have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Can he just take care of whatever they’re doing?

CLINIC: No, there has to be parental consent.

CALLER: Really? There’s no way — there’s just no way that they can find out at all. Is there any way not to tell them?

CLINIC: Well, you can do a judicial bypass.

CALLER: What is that?

CLINIC: I’ll let Doll (ph) explain it to you. Hold one second, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

(Long pause)

CLINIC: This is Doll. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. I was wondering if you guys did abortions.

CLINIC: No, we don’t do that right now.

CALLER: I was talking to someone else, but she said that — I’ll be 14 in March, and I was asking if there was anything that I could do so that my parents don’t have to find out.

CLINIC: Okay. It’s a judicial bypass. I’m going to give you some information. What county do you live in?

CALLER: I live in Warren.

CLINIC: You live in Warren? Now, Warren has a different system.

CALLER: My boyfriend’s 22. Could he take care of anything?

CLINIC: No, basically you can do it yourself. Let me find something for you.

Warren? Is that Macomb County. That’s Macomb County, right?

CALLER: I’m not really sure which county it is. We just moved here.

CLINIC: I’ll give you this information. You got a pen?

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: You need to call directly to Macomb County, and they will assign someone to you from the list they have. They do it different.

CALLER: Does that cost anything?

CLINIC: No, uh-uh.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: The number is 810-464-6476. Judge Norwaski (ph)?

CALLER: Norwaski?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: How do you spell that?

CLINIC: N-a-w-i-c-k-i. He approves the list for attorneys who can take judicial bypass cases, okay? There’s approximately about 15 attorneys. And if any attorney comes in that’s not on the list, they will not get paid. So it must be on his list. Everybody else, we can give them any attorney. But McComb County has to have certain ones on the list. So you call and get a person on the list, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: All right. Did you get your clinical test yet?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: You need to get a clinical test first.

CALLER: How much does that cost?

CLINIC: Nothing. Come to a Planned Parenthood, and you can get a pregnancy test for free. There’s one close to you. There’s one in Warren on DeQuinter (ph). It’s 696. I can give you the phone number.

CALLER: I just don’t want anyone else to know.

CLINIC: Nobody else to know? Oh, this is confidential. Nobody won’t know unless you tell them.

CALLER: Well, is it okay if my boyfriend brings me?

CLINIC: Oh, yeah. That’s no problem. We have one close to you though. I’m going to give you the phone number. It’s 810 — or if you feel more comfortable to come here with me, that’s fine.

CALLER: Actually, yeah, I do.

CLINIC: Okay. It’s 961-7370. And we are open tomorrow from 11 to 7, actually 11:30 to 7. You can come here tomorrow and we can give the pregnancy test and stuff like that. And I’ll talk you to tomorrow about it. And my name is Doll.

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend wanted me to find out if we could get birth control. Like if I wasn’t pregnant, could you give me birth control?

CLINIC: Oh, yeah. You can start that right away. You okay? You can start that right away. Maybe we can make you a patient and start taking care of everything. We’ll take one step at a time, and we’ll try to get you in tomorrow, if you’re not pregnant.

CALLER: My parents don’t like my boyfriend. They just think he’s too old for me.

CLINIC: We won’t tell them. Like I said, we won’t tell them unless you tell them. So we’ll see you tomorrow. You come here and get your pregnancy test.

CALLER: So you won’t have to tell anybody about anything at all?

CLINIC: I would not call and tell anybody anything.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Okay. Thanks.

CLINIC: Uh-huh. Bye.

CALLER: Bye.

***END***

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#317 – Planned Parenthood in Grand Rapids, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
233 E. FULTON ST. # 226
GRAND RAPIDS, MI 49503-3262
616-451-4988

TAPE – 317

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Kendall (?) Planned Parenthood. This is Kim. How may I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: We refer to the Heritage Clinic for that. We don’t perform abortions at this location.

CALLER: Okay. Do you have that number?

CLINIC: 458-3694.

CALLER: Okay. My friend told me that — I’ll be 14 in March, and she said that my parents have to sign some stuff. But my boyfriend’s 22. Could he sign whatever that is?

CLINIC: No, he can’t. Actually, there’s something called the protection (unclear) under age 18. And you can actually petition the courts to waive that.

CALLER: How much does that cost?

CLINIC: To go to the courts?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Nothing.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Do I need to get a lawyer or anything?

CLINIC: Actually, you can contact Heritage Clinic, and they should have some information for you to do something called the judicial bypass.

CALLER: I haven’t really done a pregnancy test at all. Do you guys have that there?

CLINIC: We do by appointment only. And I can tell you right now, you could go to the Cherry Street Planned Parenthood, they will walk in today from 3 to 6 for teens. And you should go there and get a pregnancy test if you don’t know.

CALLER: Well, does anybody have to know that I’m there doing a pregnancy test?

CLINIC: Nope. It’s completely confidential.

CALLER: Would it be all right if my boyfriend brings me?

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: Could he be there with me and everything?

CLINIC: Yep, at Cherry Street Planned Parenthood form 3 to 6.

CALLER: Okay. My friend just told me to go to you guys.

CLINIC: Go to the Cherry Street Planned Parenthood. We do the same things, and they have a walk-in, and you need to get it done as soon as possible.

CALLER: Well, if the pregnancy test there said that I wasn’t pregnant, could I come to you guys and get some birth control?

CLINIC: You could stay there and get some birth control. We do the same thing.

CALLER: Oh. All right. Do you know if they would have to tell anybody that I was on birth control?

CLINIC: That’s completely confidential.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Okay. Thanks.

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: Bye.

CLINIC: Bye bye.

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#290 – Planned Parenthood in Pontiac, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
132 FRANKLIN BLVD # 207
PONTIAC, MI 48341-1778
248-334-2616

TAPE – 290

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

RECORDING: Thank you for calling the Pontiac Planned Parenthood Medical Center. If you know the extension of the person you’re calling, you may dial it at anytime. For a list of office hours, location, directions, or a medical emergency number, press 1. For pregnancy testing and emergency contraception information, press 2. For company directory, press *, or to speak to a receptionist, press zero or stay on the line (dial button pressed).

Please hold while I transfer your call to receptionist.

(Phone ringing 2x)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood. Wendy speaking. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: We do not provide that service right now. We will be providing it again probably in the spring. But obviously if you need it now, you can’t wait.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: I can give you phone numbers if you’d like, referrals, or if you know someplace that you already have in mind —

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: — that’s fine too. Okay. Hold on. Let me grab the phone number list, okay?

CALLER: All right.

(Short pause)

CLINIC: No, it’s not in here.

(Talking to someone else) Oh-oh. Your pregnancy options are up on —

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: No, honey. I’m not talking to you. I’m talking to the other lady over here.

Where do you live?

CALLER: I live in Howell.

CLINIC: Where honey?

CALLER: I live in Howell.

CLINIC: Howell.

(Talking to someone else) They’re all with her. I’m doing it now (hollering). Man oh man, she’s all over me like white on rice.

Howell. All right. Let me just read the places and maybe you know which one you’re closer to, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Westland, Southfield, Clinton township.

CALLER: I don’t know. It doesn’t really matter. I just don’t want anyone to see me go in.

CLINIC: Oh, I don’t think that’s an issue, especially if go somewhere that’s not near your home. So I guess you want someplace that’s not near your home.

CALLER: Right.

CLINIC: Okay. Well, the one in Detroit is the one I’m most familiar with. They’re the most affordable too.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Yes. So let me give you that number. It’s 586-538-2020.

CALLER: My friend told me — I’ll be 14 in March, and she said that you guys have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22 —

CLINIC: We don’t have to tell your parents —

CALLER: — could he take care of that?

CLINIC: No. It doesn’t have anything to do with your boyfriend. But there’s parental consent. And if you’re under the age of 18, then you have got to go — Planned Parenthood had an attorney that worked for us for free, but you’re going to have to ask them at this place called Scotsdale. It’s called Scotsdale Women’s Center. And you’re going to have to ask them how they deal with it. Because they’re going to have to probably get you through the court system which will take a day. And you have an attorney that is appointed to you. And then you have to go in front of a judge and say that you understand what you’re having done, and then that could grant you the permission to get the abortion instead of your parents having to know.

CALLER: Okay. Couldn’t my boyfriend sign anything? He’s 22.

CLINIC: No. In fact, if you mention that he’s 22, he could go to jail.

CALLER: What? What do you mean?

CLINIC: That’s statutory rape, sweetie.

CALLER: What do you mean? He’s not raping me. I mean, we’re in love. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: I know, honey. But you’re only 14, and the law says you’ve got to be 16 to have sex. I know. It’s crazy.

CALLER: What could happen?

CLINIC: You don’t want to mention he’s 22, I’m telling ya’.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Okay? Because they could arrest him.

CALLER: Well, could I come where you’re at and get a pregnancy test?

CLINIC: Oh, sure. Yeah, you could come in tomorrow or Thursday or Friday.

CALLER: But he’s got to drive me. Would he get in trouble if he brings me?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: No?

CLINIC: No. Because you’re not going to tell me about him.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: All right?

CALLER: Well, if —

CLINIC: Hold on one second, honey.

CALLER: All right.

(Pause)

CLINIC: Okay. Yeah. See, under law we’re suppose to report it. So as far as I’m concern, I don’t know nuttin’, okay?

CALLER: Well, say that I wasn’t pregnant after I get the pregnancy test, do you guys have birth control there?

CLINIC: Oh, yes.

CALLER: And you wouldn’t have to tell anybody about that?

CLINIC: That you don’t have to tell your parents. No.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: No, you can get an exam. You’d have to come back on a different day probably. But you could get the exam and the birth control pills and everything.

CALLER: Could my boyfriend come and pick up the pills though?

CLINIC: Once you’re a patient here, yes.

CALLER: Yeah?

CLINIC: As long as he has your permission.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: I’ll probably see you tomorrow?

CALLER: Yeah. Well, yeah.

CLINIC: Or Thursday, whatever.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay. Bye bye.

CALLER: Thanks.

CLINIC: You’re welcome.

CALLER: Bye.

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#318 – Planned Parenthood in Grand Rapids, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
425 CHERRY ST SE
GRAND RAPIDS, MI 49503-4691
616-459-3101

TAPE – 318

(dialing sounds) (ringing 2X)

RECORDING: Thank you for calling Planned Parenthood. Our Cherry Street Center is open if you would like information about supply hours, please press 5. If you have a severe medical emergency please hang up and call 911. If you wish to make an appointment or if you have an immediate medical concern, please press 1 and (dial sound). Please hold while I transfer you. (music) The pill also protects against pelvic inflammatory disease. Ask our medical staff for further information. Need help to stop smoking? At Planned Parenthood we offer information and medical treatment for smoking cessation. Our skilled clinicians will talk to you about different nicotine withdrawal therapies and connect you with local support groups. Contact the Medical Department for information –

CLINIC: This is Cathy. How can I help you?

CALLER: Yeah. I was calling because — well, I called the other one and I talked to Kim, and she said to call you guys. But I was wondering about getting an abortion.

CLINIC: She told you to call us?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: You would call Heritage Clinic.

CALLER: Well, she said to call you guys to get like the pregnancy test.

CLINIC: Oh. Okay. I can set you up an appointment for one.

CALLER: Okay. Well, is there like an age requirement for that? Like I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: You’ll have to get parental consent.

CALLER: Oh. Well, my boyfriend’s 22. Could he just do whatever that is?

CLINIC: Nope. It’s parental consent.

CALLER: Oh. Well, so I couldn’t get a pregnancy test done without –

CLINIC: Oh, yes. You can do the pregnancy test, but as far as the abortion, there’s a law that you need parental consent or you could try to get a judicial bypass.

CALLER: Okay. It’s just I don’t want anybody to find out about me and my boyfriend, so my parents can’t find out at all.

CLINIC: Well, then you’d have to go through a judicial bypass in order to get an abortion without parental consent.

CALLER: What is that?

CLINIC: That’s where you have to go in front of a judge to explain your situation, and he could okay you getting an abortion without parental consent.

CALLER: Well, how much does that cost?

CLINIC: That I’m not sure. When you come in we can give you information on it and you could call and find out.

CALLER: Okay. Well, do you know if my boyfriend can bring me in for the pregnancy test?

CLINIC: Sure. Um-hum.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: I have openings. I have a 9 or 10:30 tomorrow. Otherwise I have some openings on Friday.

CALLER: Okay. I’d have to — I’ll probably try and see if I can come in at 10 tomorrow, but.

CLINIC: 10:30?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. And your last name?

CALLER: It’s Smith.

CLINIC: First name/

CALLER: Christine.

CLINIC: And your date of birth?

CALLER: It’s March 19, 1988.

CLINIC: Okay. Then we’ll see you tomorrow at 10:30.

CALLER: Well, if it ended up that I wasn’t pregnant, do you guys do birth control there?

CLINIC: Yep. Then you would set up an appointment for that.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Yep.

CALLER: But does anybody have to know if I was on birth control?

CLINIC: No. Um-um.

CALLER: All right. Well –

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Like would it be all right like if my boyfriend picked it up because I don’t — if he picked up like the birth control pills?

CLINIC: No, you would have to. He could bring you in to pick it up.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Or we could look at other methods like the shot.

CALLER: Well, does anybody have to know about that?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh, okay. All right.

CLINIC: But when you come in tomorrow we’ll do the pregnancy test, get you all set with that. And then we’ll schedule you an appointment for an exam.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay? And then we — tomorrow just ask for information on the different methods, and that way you can look through them and see which one might work for you.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Thanks.

CLINIC: Okay. Do you know where we’re located?

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend knows.

CLINIC: Okay. Then we’ll see you tomorrow at 10:30.

CALLER: Okay, thank you.

CLINIC: Okay. Uh-huh.

CALLER: Bye.

(phone clicks)

***THE END***

#291 – Planned Parenthood in Flint, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
310 E 3RD ST FL 3
FLINT, MI 48502-1876
810-238-3631

TAPE – 291

(Dialing, phone ringing 2x)

RECORDING: You have reached Planned Parenthood at G-3371 Beecher (ph) Road in Flint. To connect to the health center and Dr. Price for appointments, consultations or information, press 1 (dial button pressed). For education, counseling, and administration, press 2. If you know the extension of the person you want to reach, you may enter it at anytime. For directory of all staff, press 6. For directions to the Flint health, education and administrative offices and the office Dr. Price, or for office hours, fax numbers and email listings, press 4. For assistance from an operator, please press zero (dial button pressed) or stay on the line. To hear this menu repeated — (dial button pressed).

(Pause)

RECORDING: Please hold a moment.

(Phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood. This is Mary.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: No, we don’t.

CALLER: Do you know of any place that does?

CLINIC: You might want to call the Women’s Center. That’s 230-1300.

CALLER: Okay. Do you know if there’s an age requirement for that? I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: I don’t know. You’d have to call there.

CALLER: Okay. My friend told me to come and talk to you guys actually. Do you guys do the pregnancy test there?

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: Do you have to be a specific age for that?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: If you’re already talking about getting a termination, you don’t already know the result of the test?

CALLER: Well, I don’t — I just missed my period, and I’m scared. So I don’t know.

CLINIC: Okay. Well, we can do a test for you.

CALLER: Okay. How much does that cost?

CLINIC: Five dollars.

CALLER: So it’s all right if I’m going to be 14 in March?

CLINIC: It doesn’t matter.

CALLER: My friend told me that you guys have to tell my parents.

CLINIC: No, we don’t. All of our information is confidential.

CALLER: Okay. Well, my boyfriend actually wanted me to call and figure all this out. But he was wondering if you guys have to know that he’s 22.

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: No?

CLINIC: Uh-uh. It’s not our business. Okay?

CALLER: When do you guys do pregnancy tests?

CLINIC: You can come in anytime between 9 and 5:30.

CALLER: Do I need to make an appointment or anything?

CLINIC: Nope, it’s on a walk-in basis.

CALLER: Well, no one has to know anything or anything if I’m getting a pregnancy test?

CLINIC: No. Nobody but you and whoever you bring with you.

CALLER: Okay. Well, if I wasn’t pregnant, do you guys do birth control there?

CLINIC: We certainly do.

CALLER: And you wouldn’t have to tell anybody that I was on birth control?

CLINIC: Pardon me?

CALLER: And you wouldn’t have to tell anybody that I was on birth control?

CLINIC: No, we won’t tell anything. Like I said, everything here is confidential. It will just be between you and us. And the only time somebody would know something is if you tell him.

CALLER: If I needed anything else, could I talk to you again?

CLINIC: Sure.

CLINIC: Okay. And your name was Mary?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Okay. Bye bye.

CALLER: Bye.

***END***

#319 – Planned Parenthood in Wyoming, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
3641 BYRON CENTER AVE SW
WYOMING, MI 49509-3665
616-531-3070

TAPE – 319

(dialing sounds) (ringing 4X)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood. This is Cathy. Can I help you?

CALLER: Yeah. Did I just talk to you?

CLINIC: I’m not sure. What is it about?

CALLER: Well, I was wondering if you guys do abortions.

CLINIC: No, we don’t.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, do you guys — is this the one on Jerry Street?

CLINIC: No, it’s not.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Jerry Street doesn’t do them either.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: We can give you a number that does.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: It’s called Heritage Clinic, and the number is 458-3694.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Well, could I ask you a real quick question?

CLINIC: Uh-huh.

CALLER: Like, well I’m just worried because like my friend told me that — like I’ll be 14 in March, and she said that my parents would have to sign some stuff. But my boyfriend’s 22. Could he sign whatever it is?

CLINIC: Probably not. You need parental consent.

CALLER: Oh. Is there any way not to tell them?

CLINIC: Not in the state of Michigan.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Um-hum.

CALLER: Okay. Well, like — so is it okay like to get a — like I”m not really sure if I am pregnant, but could I come into there to get a pregnancy test?

CLINIC: Yeah. You’d have to make an appointment.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: And if you can be here at 4:15 I can get you in today.

CALLER: Well, I’d have to call my boyfriend to see when he can bring me, but — I’m just scared because like my last period was like December 14. So.

CLINIC: Okay. Oh, yeah. Can you come Friday?

CALLER: I’d have to call and see if he can get off work, but what time on Friday?

CLINIC: I got an 11:15.

CALLER: Okay. We might be able to do that one.

CLINIC: Okay. Why don’t you call me back and let me know what day he has available, and we’ll try to go that way.

CALLER: Okay. Well, do you know if anybody has to know that I’m getting a pregnancy test?

CLINIC: What do you mean?

CALLER: Well, do you have to tell anybody that I’m getting a pregnancy test at all?

CLINIC: No. This is all confidential.

CALLER: Okay. It’s just my friend said you guys have to tell my parents, so.

CLINIC: No. No. If your parents even call we cannot — we can’t even tell them that you’re here, your name or you’re a client.

CALLER: Okay. Well, if the pregnancy test was negative, do you guys have birth control there?

CLINIC: Yep. Then you’d have to set up a separate appointment to come in for an exam.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Then they set you up on birth control.

CALLER: Well, how long does the exam take?

CLINIC: It takes — we leave an hour slot.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: So anywhere from up to an hour.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Usually.

CALLER: Okay. It’s just, my boyfriend doesn’t want to go through all this again, so like would you guys have to tell anybody that I was getting birth control?

CLINIC: No. Everything is confidential. We don’t tell anybody anything.

CALLER: All right. Okay. Thanks.

CLINIC: Um-hum.

CALLER: Bye.

(phone clicks)

***THE END***

#292 – Planned Parenthood in Ionia, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
175 E ADAMS ST
IONIA, MI 48846-1627
616-527-3340

TAPE – 292

(Dialing, phone ringing 2x)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood. This is Gwen. How may I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: No, we do not.

CALLER: Do you know of any place that does?

CLINIC: You’ll have to check the Yellow Pages and your phone books.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Okay? Otherwise you can come down and we might be able to give you some information.

CALLER: Okay. Do you guys do pregnancy tests there?

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: Do you guys have to tell my parents or anything about that? Like I’ll be 14 in March. Is that okay?

CLINIC: Yes. We do not tell your parents.

CALLER: Okay. Is it okay brings me?

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: Because I don’t know how else I would get there. Could he sign for me and everything, because he’s 22.

CLINIC: You can sign for yourself.

CALLER: Oh, okay. If I wasn’t pregnant, and the pregnancy test there showed that, would you guys be able to do birth control?

CLINIC: Yes.

CALLER: Would you be able to do it like right away.

CLINIC: Well, I’m not sure about tonight. Were you coming down for a pregnancy test tonight?

CALLER: No. My boyfriend would have to get off work and everything.

CLINIC: Well, let me let Carol make an appointment, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Hang on.

CALLER: Okay.

(Pause)

CLINIC: Okay. We can do a pregnancy test. And then if you’re not, then we can do an exam. But if you’re pregnant, we can’t do an exam, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: I do have some openings this Thursday. Are you available then?

CALLER: I’d have to call my boyfriend and see, but I think so, maybe. But you don’t have to tell my parents or anything or anybody?

CLINIC: No, we don’t.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: I can tell you what I have open. I have openings from 1:30 to 3:45 or I have a 4:30 or 4:45 or a 5 open. And that’s on Thursday.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: But you need to get back with me right away because they fill in, okay?

CALLER: Okay. What was your name again?

CLINIC: My name is Carol.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: All right?

CALLER: Thanks.

CLINIC: Yep. Bye bye.

CALLER: Bye.

***END***

#320 – Planned Parenthood in Traverse City, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
1135 E 8TH ST
TRAVERSE CITY, MI 49686-2936
231-929-1844

TAPE – 320

(Dialing, phone ringing 2x)

CLINIC: Good afternoon. Planned Parenthood.

CALLER: Hi. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there.

CLINIC: No, we don’t.

CALLER: Do you know of anybody that might?

CLINIC: Uh-huh. We are now referring people to a local provider of only the medical kind of abortion, not surgical.

CALLER: Okay. What’s the difference?

CLINIC: Medical is actually a series of pills, medications that you take, and it’s overseen by the doctor. It’s more of a private way to do it. You take the pills. You’re at home, and you’re under the care of the doctor. She’s not with you, but she’s always in contact with you.

CALLER: Well, it’s just I’m scared because my last period was December 14th.

CLINIC: Have you had a pregnancy test?

CALLER: What?

CLINIC: Have you had a positive pregnancy test?

CALLER: Well, no.

CLINIC: Have you taken one yet?

CALLER: No. Do you guys do that there?

CLINIC: Yeah, we could do that for you. If you wanted to stop in we can do that on a walk-in basis anytime.

CALLER: Do you have to be a specific age for that? I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: No, that’s fine. You can stop in and do it. And it’s completely confidential.

CALLER: So if I was going to get an abortion, would they have to say anything to my parents? My friend said that my parents would have to sign some stuff, but my boyfriend’s 22. He is old enough to take care of that?

CLINIC: Probably — there are ways you can do it without letting your parents know.

CALLER: Oh, like how?

CLINIC: Yeah. It’s called a judicial bypass. And what we would do here is set you up with that information to obtain the judicial bypass. And it probably means a consultation with a local — I’m not real sure who it is. It’s a local person that we refer you to.

CALLER: Do I need a lawyer for that?

CLINIC: Yeah. But it’s right here. We can get all that stuff done for you right here.

CALLER: How much would that cost?

CLINIC: There wouldn’t be any fees for that. What is probably going to cost you is the pregnancy test. It’s $12 here.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: But that’s all.

CALLER: Is it all right if my boyfriend brings me to take the pregnancy test?

CLINIC: Oh, yeah. Yep, that’s fine.

CALLER: Would he have to sign any papers or anything? Because he just doesn’t want anybody to know.

CLINIC: No. No, he doesn’t have to. But you really should stop in. And just let me know at the front window right here that you want to take a walk-in pregnancy test, and we’ll get you started. We’re here until 6 today. If you’re interested in coming tomorrow, we’re here from 10 to 7.

CALLER: Could I come in there today?

CLINIC: Yeah. As long as you get here before 5:30.

CALLER: If the pregnancy test was negative, do you guys have birth control there?

CLINIC: You bet.

CALLER: And you wouldn’t have to tell anybody I was on birth control?

CLINIC: No, ma’am.

CALLER: All right. You’ve been so helpful. Thanks. If I had any other questions, could I call and talk to you?

CLINIC: You bet.

CALLER: What was your name?

CLINIC: My name’s Kate.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: And if I’m not here, Jen’s here, or there’s several other people that answer the phone here that can help you.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Thanks.

CLINIC: You’re welcome.

CALLER: Bye.

***END***

#293 – Planned Parenthood in Kalamazoo, MI

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
4201 W. MICHIGAN AVE
KALAMAZOO, MI 49006-5833
616-372-1200

TAPE – 293

(Dialing, phone ringing 2x)

CLINIC: Kalamazoo Planned Parenthood. This is Kiana (sp). Can you please hold?

CALLER: Yeah.

(Pause)

CLINIC: Thank you for holding. This is Grace. How may I direct your call?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wanting to ask someone if you guys do abortions.

CLINIC: Yes, we do.

CALLER: How much does it cost for that?

CLINIC: There’s a couple different methods. If you’re less than 14 weeks pregnant, it’s 370. If you wanted to have the medical procedure done, which is where you take medication home, that is 450.

CALLER: Okay. How do you know how far along you are?

CLINIC: You’d have to come in for a consultation where we do an ultra sound to determine how far along you are.

CALLER: Okay. Well, my friend told me that since I’ll be 14 in March that you have to get my parents to sign some stuff. But my boyfriend’s 22. Could he sign it?

CLINIC: No. It would have to be your parent.

CALLER: Okay. Is there any way not to have to tell them? Because they can’t find out at all. I don’t know what they would do if they found out.

CLINIC: Let me put you through to a counselor. Just a moment, okay?

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Thanks.

(Phone ringing 4x)

RECORDING: Hi. This is counseling. We’re not available to take your call right now. If you name, number and a brief message, we’ll get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you. (Beep).

(Call disconnected)

(Dialing, phone ringing 1x)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood Kalamazoo. This is Marilyn.

CALLER: Yeah, can I talk to Grace?

CLINIC: Hold on a minute.

(Pause)

CLINIC: Thank you for holding. This is Grace.

CALLER: Yeah. You transferred me over and there wasn’t anyone there. They told me to leave a message.

CLINIC: Okay. Then you need to go ahead and leave a message because they’re with clients.

CALLER: But I can’t do that. I’m at my friend’s house —

CLINIC: You can try to give them a call back because they’re not available to take your call right this second.

CALLER: Well, could you answer some questions for me?

CLINIC: Honestly, I don’t know that much about it. All that’s handled through the counseling department.

CALLER: Could I come in for a pregnancy test or anything?

CLINIC: Yes. We have walk-in pregnancy testing from 5 to 7 tonight.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Does anyone have to know that I’m getting a pregnancy test?

CLINIC: We will need your name and everything, yes.

CALLER: Oh. Well, would you have to tell anybody that I was there?

CLINIC: No. Like would we tell your parents? No.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: My boyfriend’s going to bring me, so is that all right?

CLINIC: Yeah, that’s fine.

CALLER: Well, if I wasn’t pregnant, do you guys have birth control or anything?

CLINIC: Yep. They can talk to you about all that when they do the test for you, okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: All right.

CALLER: Do you know that if was on birth control if they would have to tell anybody that I was on birth control?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay? Thank you.

CALLER: Thanks.

CLINIC: Bye.

CALLER: Bye.

***END***