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#567 – Planned Parenthood Of The Rocky Moutains in Colorado Springs, CO

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF THE ROCKY MOUTAINS
1330 W COLORADO AVE
COLORADO SPRINGS, CO 80904-4099
719 / 475-7162

TAPE – 567

(dialing sounds) (ringing 2X)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood Services of Corpus. This is Tammy.

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was calling because like I was talking to Dessa at the other place, and she told me to call you guys.

CLINIC: Okay. For what?

CALLER: For getting an abortion.

CLINIC: Okay. We’re in the middle of running surgical clinic right now, so if you want to make an appointment you can hold. I can’t guarantee you how long it’s going to be.

CALLER: Oh. Well, could I ask you real quick? I’m just worried about getting an abortion, because my friend told me that — like I’m going to be 14 next month, and she said that you guys would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Could he just sign — is he old enough to sign whatever it is and you wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: You’re 14 and your boyfriend is 22?

CALLER: Well, I’ll be 14 next month.

CLINIC: So you’re 13.

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: Legally that’s statutory rape, and if you were to express that to someone at our clinic we would definitely have to report it.

CALLER: Oh. But what should I do then?

CLINIC: You don’t have to have parental consent to come here for an abortion. But like I said, if you express it to someone in the clinic and we document that, then legally we have to report it.

CALLER: So should somebody else bring me then?

CLINIC: I would suggest that.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Well, could it be that I wasn’t pregnant, you think?

CLINIC: Say it again?

CALLER: Could it be — like I haven’t had my period since like December 26, and I’m just worried. Do you think that there would be any way that I wasn’t pregnant/

CLINIC: Yes, you could be. Just because — when you’re 13 your periods aren’t always to a point where they’re on a regular pattern. So sometimes, you know, you can have a period or –

CALLER: I’m just really worried about all this, so.

CLINIC: Okay. Have you taken a pregnancy test?

CALLER: Well, no.

CLINIC: Okay. You said you haven’t had a period for how many months?

CALLER: Since December 26.

CLINIC: Okay. That’s where I would start. Are you having any signs or symptoms of pregnancy?

CALLER: What kind? What do you mean?

CLINIC: Like fatigue or are you tired all the time?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Throwing up?

CALLER: Uh-uh.

CLINIC: Have you noticed that your appetite has increased?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: Are you feeling any type of movement?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: I would take a pregnancy test anyway just to see if it comes back positive or negative.

CALLER: Well, should I come in there for that?

CLINIC: Yeah, you can come to this center and take it if you want, and the pregnancy test here is $22.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay? You don’t need an appointment. You can just walk in for that service.

CALLER: Okay. Well, if I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control there?

CLINIC: You sure can.

CALLER: Well, would you have to tell anybody that I was on birth control though?

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: And we offer different methods that you would not have to take home. We offer depo which is a shot you get every three months. We offer Lunel (sp) which is a shot that you get every month, so that way no one would have to know.

CALLER: Okay. It’s just me and my boyfriend don’t want to go through all this again, so it’s all right to get birth control and no one would have to know anything?

CLINIC: Um-hum.

CALLER: Okay. Okay. Well, if I thought of any questions could I call and talk to you? What was your name?

CLINIC: My name’s Tammy.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: You sure can.

CALLER: All right. Thanks.

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: Bye.

CLINIC: Good bye.

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#566 – Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, CO

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
3029 S ACADEMY BLVD
COLORADO SPRINGS, CO 80916-3201
719 / 390-5411

TAPE – 566

(dialing sounds) (ringing 2X)

CLINIC: Planned Parenthood. This is Dessa (sp). Can I help you?

CALLER: Hi. What did you say your name was again?

CLINIC: Dessa.

CALLER: Oh, okay. Hi.

CLINIC: Hi.

CALLER: I was wondering, do you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: No, hon. Let me give you a phone number for that.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: It’s 475-7162. They’re a Planned Parenthood Clinic, but they’re the one in town that does it.

CALLER: Oh. They’re in town there?

CLINIC: Yeah, they’re here in Springs. It’s just they’re the only (unclear) Planned Parenthood in town that does that procedure.

CALLER: Oh. Well, could I ask you real quick? I’m just worried because like, well I’ll be 14 next month, and my friend said that they would have to tell my parents. But –

CLINIC: No.

CALLER: — my boyfriend’s 22. Is that old enough to take care of it and they wouldn’t have to tell anybody?

CLINIC: Hon, I think it’s completely confidential.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: You’re 14?

CALLER: I’ll be 14 next month.

CLINIC: Oh. Yeah, you can call them and ask them, but yeah, I know people younger than 18 can come in here and get birth control without telling their parents. I think it is something you can do without your parents. But you are going to have to — if there is a fee for it.

CALLER: Okay, yeah. Well, my boyfriend said that he would pay for everything and take care of everything, so. But could I come in there for a pregnancy test though?

CLINIC: Uh-huh. Yeah.

CALLER: I’m just worried about all this because I haven’t had my period since like December 26, so.

CLINIC: Oh. We do do pregnancy tests. You can just walk in to have that done. It is $22. It’s cash or credit card, no checks.

CALLER: Okay. But nobody would have to ask anything about my boyfriend or anything?

CLINIC: No, honey. It’s confidential.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: No. We don’t need to ask anybody about that.

CALLER: Because he said that he was going to pay for everything, and we were all talking about this, and he was saying — well, we decided that we don’t want a whole bunch of people to know about us. So he was going to pay. But would he have to sign anything?

CLINIC: I don’t know. You’d have to call them.

CALLER: Well, like for the pregnancy test.

CLINIC: Oh, for — no. This is between you and me.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: How old is he?

CALLER: 22.

CLINIC: That’s why he’s concerned.

CALLER: Oh, what do you mean?

CLINIC: Because that’s illegal.

CALLER: What’s illegal? I don’t understand.

CLINIC: Because you’re under age. He’s over 18. It’s highly illegal. He can get in big, big trouble.

CALLER: What kind of trouble?

CLINIC: I don’t know what the laws are, but it’s called statutory rape.

CALLER: But he’s not raping me. I mean, we’re in love. We’re going to get married. He said he was going to take care of me forever. What could happen?

CLINIC: Hon? You know what? I just wanted you to know it’s illegal. Yeah, you can come in and get a pregnancy test, and it is confidential, and you can still get the procedure done at the clinic. I Just thought I’d let you know. It is extremely illegal, and he should know that.

CALLER: Well, what should I do?

CLINIC: Well, go ahead and go with what you need to get done. Okay? You know, with your choices. But –

CALLER: Well, if it ended up that I wasn’t pregnant, could I get birth control there?

CLINIC: You sure can.

CALLER: But you wouldn’t have to tell anybody about birth control?

CLINIC: No. It’s completely confidential.

CALLER: Okay. It’s just I don’t want to have to worry about all this again, so.

CLINIC: Yeah. Yeah, you can come in.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Yep.

CALLER: Okay. Well, could I call you if I had any other questions? What was your name?

CLINIC: Dessa (sp).

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: I’ll be here until 1:00. Call that other clinic though and ask them because I don’t know, you know, some of those questions. But of course you can call me. What’s your name?

CALLER: It’s Lisa.

CLINIC: Lisa?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Oh. Lisa, I’d be real careful. That man should know that this is illegal, and I know it sounds wonderful and everything but you are way too young for him to be doing that.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: You be careful. I wouldn’t trust him. It is extremely illegal.

CALLER: Well, he’s a — I mean, he’s a great guy. I don’t understand.

CLINIC: It’s illegal.

CALLER: But — but you guys wouldn’t report him, would you?

CLINIC: No. Far as I know it’s completely confidential.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: And in the end we’re here to make sure you get your pregnancy test and get procedures that you want done. You know what I mean?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: That’s what we’re here for.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: All right. Thanks.

CLINIC: And I don’t know who you are.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: You know? I know a lot of other people with your name.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay? I want you to feel that you can come in here and get your stuff done.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Okay?

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Okay, bye.

CALLER: Bye.

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#335 – Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, CO

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PLANNED PARENTHOOD
3958 N ACADEMY BLVD # 108
COLORADO SPRINGS, CO 80917-5911
719 / 573-8880

TAPE – 335

(dialing sounds) (ringing 1X)

CLINIC: Good afternoon. Planned Parenthood. This is Madonna. May I help you?

CALLER: Hi. Yeah. I was wondering if you guys do abortions there?

CLINIC: No, we don’t. The Planned Parenthood Services Corp. on West Colorado does them.

CALLER: Okay. Do you have that number?

CLINIC: Yep. It’s 475-7162.

CALLER: Okay. Well, could I ask you a quick question?

CLINIC: Sure.

CALLER: It’s just, my friend told me that — like I’ll be 14 in March — she said that you guys have to, or that they would have to tell my parents. But my boyfriend’s 22. Could he just take care of whatever that is?

CLINIC: How old are you?

CALLER: I’ll be 14 in March.

CLINIC: So you’re 13 right now?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: And you’re with someone who’s 22?

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: Hmm. Okay. You can go — the law in Colorado is there is no parental consent law when it comes to your reproductive health.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: So you can certainly go in and schedule — they’ll want to talk to you directly.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: You can schedule an appointment to go in and you can certainly have the procedure done. They will make that appointment for you. Um. But when it comes to an emergency contact when you filling out a chart?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Emergency contact has to be a parent.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: They won’t contact them unless there’s an emergency.

CALLER: Like what kind of emergency?

CLINIC: Well, any kind of emergency. If they have an emergency situation with you while you’re in the center that they have to call an ambulance to send you to the hospital?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: They have to contact your parents.

CALLER: Really?

CLINIC: Yep.

CALLER: Well, could it be my boyfriend’s address and phone number?

CLINIC: No. It has to be a parent.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: But, I mean, they don’t anticipate any problems.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: It’s a just-in-case thing. It’s a just-in-case thing.

CALLER: Well, would you guys — would you guys have to tell my parents about my boyfriend?

CLINIC: Um. Tell them about your boyfriend?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: I don’t believe they’re going to tell them about your boyfriend, but the –

CALLER: It’s just, they don’t know we’re having sex. Like they know him, but they just aren’t — they don’t like him a whole bunch. But they don’t know that we’re having sex at all.

CLINIC: Yeah.

CALLER: And I don’t know what would happen if they found out.

CLINIC: Yes. Well, you know, that’s where, you know, the law area is really gray for me, and I don’t know the answer to that question.

CALLER: Oh. Okay.

CLINIC: What’s your name?

CALLER: I’m Christine.

CLINIC: Okay. Christine, when you make the appointment, they’ll, you know, make the appointment for you.

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: And when you go in to see them for the actual appointment day, they’re going to sit down with you and they’re going to review your medical info with you.

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: They’re going to review your decision, why you’re making it, and then once all that’s done then, you know, they’ll review all that with you and they can let you know.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: At that time.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: They probably know a little bit more about this than I do.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: But, yeah, if you’ve done a positive test and you don’t want –

CALLER: Well, I haven’t.

CLINIC: Oh, okay. So how do you know you’re pregnant?

CALLER: Well, I don’t. I’m just — well, I just haven’t had my period since like December 14, so I’m just scared.

CLINIC: Oh. I would do a pregnancy test first then because they’re not going to schedule an appointment for an abortion until you’ve actually done a positive test.

CALLER: Well, could I come in to see you guys and do that there?

CLINIC: Positive — to get a pregnancy test? Absolutely. Yeah. They’re $22.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: And it takes — you fill out some paperwork. We run the test and give you the results. It takes about 5 minutes to run the test.

CALLER: Well, my boyfriend can bring me in tomorrow. Is that all right?

CLINIC: Yeah. It’s a walk-in. It’s a walk-in service, so yeah, not a problem. You can walk in for that.

CALLER: Okay. Well, does he have to fill out any papers?

CLINIC: Nope. Nope. Just you.

CALLER: Because he said he doesn’t want anybody to know about him, so.

CLINIC: Okay. So here’s the deal. Why does he not want anybody to know? Have you –

CALLER: Well, he just doesn’t want my parents to know. He doesn’t want me to get in trouble.

CLINIC: But have you asked yourself why he doesn’t want you to? I mean, really?

CALLER: What do you mean? I don’t understand.

CLINIC: You said you’re 13.

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: You tell me he’s 22.

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: Okay. According to the law?

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: Him even having intercourse with you is statutory rape.

CALLER: What is — what is that? He’s not raping me. We’re in love. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: Exactly. But because you’re underage, you’re less than 16, years old?

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: In the eyes of the law, it’s rape, whether you’re consenting or not.

CALLER: Well, what could happen?

CLINIC: I don’t know.

CALLER: Well –

CLINIC: I don’t know.

CALLER: Well, are you going to tell on him?

CLINIC: We won’t.

CALLER: Oh, okay.

CLINIC: But it can happen, yes. Somebody — if the law states — if you’re going in, say you have a positive test and you go in for a termination?

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: They — it may have to be reported.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: And so he wants you not to say anything because he already knows.

CALLER: Well, he said that he just doesn’t want me to get in trouble.

CLINIC: No, no. He knows it’s wrong.

CALLER: But he loves me. We’re going to get married.

CLINIC: But he doesn’t want to get in trouble. It’s not about you getting in trouble. It’s, he doesn’t want to get in trouble.

CALLER: Well, if I ended up not being pregnant, like after I came in for the pregnancy test, if it wasn’t, if it said that I wasn’t pregnant, do you guys do birth control there?

CLINIC: We do.

CALLER: Okay. But would you guys have to tell anybody anything?

CLINIC: Again, due to patient confidentiality, we, you know, we protect our patients’ confidentiality in that respect again. No parental consent laws when it comes to, when it comes to your reproductive health.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: But at the same time, and I would have to look into this, I don’t know but the possibility exists that we would still have to report the incident.

CALLER: Oh. What incident?

CLINIC: That we have a 13-year-old having intercourse with a 22-year-old.

CALLER: Oh. Well, what if I didn’t tell you?

CLINIC: Well, if you didn’t tell us, you didn’t tell us.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: You know. But at the same time, you and i having had this conversation, I know now. You know what I’m saying?

CALLER: Well, should I go someplace else then?

CLINIC: Well, I can’t tell you what to do. I can tell you that even though you’re consenting, the age difference is too great.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: He knows. He absolutely knows. And it’s not about — right now it is not about him not wanting you to get into trouble. I can tell you right now it’s about him not wanting to get in trouble because he knows it’s against the law and it’s illegal what he’s doing, whether you’re consenting or not. He knows it.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: So he’s placing you in a very bad position, and if you’re pregnant it doesn’t matter what decision you make, whether you decide to continue the pregnancy or whether you decide to terminate. Somebody — it will have to be reported.

CALLER: Oh. Well, if I came in for the pregnancy test, would you have to say anything?

CLINIC: Again, I already know.

CALLER: Yeah. So would you tell anybody now?

CLINIC: I don’t know enough bout you to tell anybody now, but it’s — you know, it’s a situation you have to think about. I mean, what I’m trying to do is, I’m trying to let you know, you’re in a really bad situation right now.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: Because ultimately even though, you know, he professes his love to you and blah, blah, blah you’re 13, he’s 22. He’s an adult. He’s already grown up. You’re not considered an adult. You’re considered a child.

CALLER: Uh-huh.

CLINIC: And guys like to say whatever they need to say to get what they want, whether — you know, whether, you know, whether we like to hear it or not. And at this point in time, you’re not mature enough to determine whether he’s being truthful and honest with you or not.

CALLER: So you think he’s not honest with me then?

CLINIC: That’s a very distinct possibility. That’s a very distinct possibility. I mean, to be honest with you, yeah, I think he’s just trying to cover his own ass. I think, that’s what I believe. He’s 22 years old. It’s not about not wanting to get you in trouble. It’s about not wanting him to get himself in trouble because he knows, he knows he’s wrong, he knows what he’s doing is wrong, and he knows he can be charged with rape, and he knows he can go to jail for what he’s doing.

CALLER: Well, what can I do then?

CLINIC: Well, you know, at this point in time –

CALLER: It’s just, I don’t want him to go to jail. I love him. I mean, if he wasn’t there I don’t know what I would do.

CLINIC: Well, I mean, I think — you know, number one, you have to ask yourself, you know, whether this is — because of your age, whether this is something that you really need to be involved in. And number two, you probably need to be sharing this information with someone besides the anonymous person you’re talking to. Like, you know, really, because you don’t know me. And I can stand back and be objective and tell you what I see and what I hear and what I know, what little I know about the law. But you’re going to need to share this information with someone.

CALLER: Oh. Like who?

CLINIC: Well, I would, in the first place I would start would be my parents if I could talk to them, and -

CALLER: But I can’t. Like if I could talk to my mom like I talk to you, things would be so much easier.

CLINIC: Okay. Is there anybody else in your, a family member, anybody else?

CALLER: No.

CLINIC: An aunt, an uncle?

CALLER: No. We just moved and I don’t know anybody around here at all.

CLINIC: And he’s not — your parents know you guys are dating or they –

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: — just know that you’re friends?

CALLER: He used to work with my dad, so.

CLINIC: Umm. Well, you’re really kind of in one of the, you know, you want to say you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place? That’s where you are right now.

CALLER: Okay.

CLINIC: And because you haven’t had a menstrual cycle in a couple of months, that could mean pregnancy. If it does not mean pregnancy, if you’re not pregnant and this is due to, you know, you’re freaking out, you’re stressed, and you know your period’s going to come, then you come up with a negative test, then you need to step back and start being — what’s the word I’m looking for? — I’m not saying this to insult you at all, but step back from the situation and be a little bit more mature about your choice. Okay? So you really have to look it; and, I mean, you have to ask yourself some relevant questions. Why would a 22-year-old man be interested in a 13-year-old girl? There’s the first question. Okay?

CALLER: Well, he says he loves me. I mean –

CLINIC: You know, when we’re 13 we love to believe, we love to believe that that’s what it is.

CALLER: But he’s a sweetheart. I mean, he said he was going to take care of me forever.

CLINIC: He’s 8 or 9 years older than you are. What if you go and have this pregnancy test and it comes back positive? and, oops, he’s gone, absolutely gone, just dumps you like a hot potato?

CALLER: But he wouldn’t do that. He said he was, he said he wants to take care of me until I’m old and gray and –

CLINIC: Well, you know, it’s nice that he’s saying that and because I don’t know him I can’t tell you for sure that that’s not exactly what he means, but it’s highly suspicious.

CALLER: Well, what do you think I should do?

CLINIC: Well, first of all, you need to find out whether or not you’re pregnant.

CALLER: All right.

CLINIC: Run a preg test, and then with the results of that preg test then you need to make a decision.

CALLER: But would you guys have to tell anybody if I, if I came in for a pregnancy test?

CLINIC: Probably.

CALLER: Oh.

CLINIC: I mean, I don’t want to entice you in.

CALLER: Yeah.

CLINIC: To do it. But somebody — wherever you go for a pregnancy test, if they have all the pertinent information that you’ve given me, absolutely they will have to report it.

CALLER: Well, should I just not say anything or –

CLINIC: Well, you can’t live in denial. You know, you can’t deny the whole situation. But first thing you need to do is run a preg test. If you want to do a home test, you know, you can do it that way.

CALLER: Okay. Well, I gotta go. I’m at my friend’s house and her mom’s about to be here. I gotta call you back. Is that all right?

CLINIC: Okay.

CALLER: Okay. Bye.

CLINIC: Bye.

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